About Diamond system geometry

Willie Hoppe said:
Fundamentals should be mastered before going ahead with advanced play. Without fundamentals, a player starts with a handicap.
Instructors often suppress giggles at the form and foundation of some seeking Advanced lessons. 🤷‍♂️ just sayin.
 
The 'Most Accurate Interoperation' of the '50' or '5' Corner Diamond System and how to 'Correctly Calculate' the CB's position and the 'Allowances for 4 or more cushion shots' are in Raymond Ceulemans book, "Mr. 100"!

BTW, the 'Basis' for the 'Diamond System' to work is the fact that ALL tables, Pool or Carom are, "Twice as long as it is wide!"
I don't agree with you, Mr3Cushion. The fact that tables are "Twice as long as wide" do not play any role in the Diamond system formula.
For example, in the shot below, only three cushions are affected; the position of the small cushion on the right is irrelevant.
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You are a wise man. I've always suggested that until one learns these two systems, all other multi-rail systems, many of which are valuable, should be ignored. You must walk before you run.
Any online recommendations to learn these?
 
I just found this diagram that was given to me about 30 years ago.

Jay Bozeman a Top 3C (He finished 2nd or 3rd in more World 3C tournaments than any other player) player in the 'Golden Age' of 3 cushion gave to the person He signed it to.

I'm assuming these were 'His' thoughts on the '5' System.

Don't shoot the messenger!

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Works 4 me.
 
I think any tool is helpful.
I also think over analyzing and thinking leads you to brain death.
I’m more than very familiar with multiple systems for all games.
The only time I lean on a system is if I have a difficult zep playing 3 cushion.
Even then it’s pretty much a check valve.

After you have experience you should be able to learn the speed of the table and how the angles are running fairly quickly.
Connect a dot comes natural.

If you can’t hit your object ball the thickness you want consistently you have a problem.
If you can’t hit your ball with every English and stroke known to mankind you have a problem .
If you can’t elongate, shorten, delay
or run your cue ball up and down, back and forth etc you have a problem.

There is only one system to get you there and it’s called Time on the table system and lots of it.
 
I don't agree with you, Mr3Cushion. The fact that tables are "Twice as long as wide" do not play any role in the Diamond system formula.
For example, in the shot below, only three cushions are affected; the position of the small cushion on the right is irrelevant.
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I honestly cannot tell if this is meant to be a joke/sarcasm. Also, for the diagram it seems as if the values for the 'Start' and 'Aim' variables are x-y co-ordinates, where only the x value matters, but the 'Spin' value does not seem to relate at all.
 
Geometry, symmetry, shift, diagonal, parallel,...
As far as i am aware, pool table is made of 2 squares.
I see diamonds as markers, the grid.
Its all about immagination, trial and error.

BR
 
Geometry, symmetry, shift, diagonal, parallel,...
As far as i am aware, pool table is made of 2 squares.
I see diamonds as markers, the grid.
Its all about immagination, trial and error.

BR
Lasers and mirrors absolutely. Diamond system? Needs extensive analysis to discover any correlation other than the results based averaging.
 
I wonder how snooker players orientate themselves on 12f table without diamonds.
Do they use similar systems? Do they have diamonds/ruler stickers? Where are the numbers?
How can they make a 3 cushion shoot, while beeing snookered, without numbers?
 
I wonder how snooker players orientate themselves on 12f table without diamonds.
Do they use similar systems? Do they have diamonds/ruler stickers? Where are the numbers?
How can they make a 3 cushion shoot, while beeing snookered, without numbers?
Rhetorical question? Why would you need numbers? Dots on the rail would help (me maybe) but numbers? I suppose that would work if you committed fanatically to a system or systems.
 
I KNOW i dont need the numbers, but every system shown here has nr. Can someone explain the system without nr?
Snooker tables dont have diamonds. How can they do it, like 3 cushion escape when theyre snookered?
BR
Edit: i believe most have just learned the system by nr., but not really understand the logic/math behind it.
 
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