About eBay experiences...

CrownCues

Jamey Gray, Me, Tim Chin
Silver Member
I see a lot of eBay slamming and this really bothers me.

PLEASE, don't be so quick to judge all eBayers by the actions of a few bad ones. Most of them are good people and some have no other options, for one reason or another. Some I've talked to over my years of buying/selling have had health problems which keep them in, or they are disabled and sitting at their computer. Selling on eBay is the only way they have to make a living. Others are just good folks trying to sell a few things they don't need, anymore, or using eBay to help them start up a solid internet business.

Due to my heart attacks in 2005, our business had to shift from local to online ONLY. We needed the income to help pay the medical bills and had to do what we could to bring in the extra. We had also just bought a new home, so we had extra bills there, too. Before my heart attacks, our old home was paid for and we had no medical bills. Afterward, the only way we could make ends meet was to start selling Gene's cues on eBay, because he had to stay home with me so much, that he was not able to be out selling cues on a regular basis. For the past 2 years, my health has been up and down, but we have managed. When there was going to be a delay in shipping, due to my inability to get to the post office, I always explained and everyone was very understanding. Most of our customers are repeat customers, which says something for our product and our service. We have had wonderful customers and great experiences with all of them. We've had only 2 or 3 bad situations come up and they were all settled quite easily.

Some advice on having a good experience on eBay...

1-- Check on the seller's feedback rating. Just because it's 100% doesn't mean he is always good. He may be one of those who shames his buyers into giving him good feedback, when he really didn't fulfill his end of the bargain. Sometimes, they "hold their feedback as ransom," so to speak, and a buyer wants good feedback, so he might be encouraged to leave good feedback for fear of receiving bad feedback. And, some people are just glad to give good feedback, because they FINALLY received their item, or something satisfactory.
2-- Look for repeat buyers. This is a fairly good sign that the seller is at least making a sincere effort to keep his customers happy and probably describes his/her product fairly accurately. Otherwise, buyers wouldn't be so likely to return.
3-- If you are hesitant about a seller, you may be having bad vibes for a good reason. Check with recent buyers (found on the feedback pages - click on their usernames) and ask what their experiences were and if they had any trouble with shipping or packaging, or dishonesty, etc..
4-- For the most part, you should only buy eBay items through eBay. eBay will protect you, to some extent. If a seller offers to close an auction to sell the item to you direct, there is nothing wrong with asking for a Buy It Now auction at the agreed on price, to protect both you and the seller. If the seller balks at this, there's always a chance it's because of the fees he'll have to pay, but it's worth it, if you're spending very much money.

Also, keep in mind that everyone can have a bad day and a bad situation... even sellers. You may (unfortunately) be on the receiving end of one of those. It may be the first time a seller has had a tough situation, which can be very scary to a seller who wants to keep a good reputation, but isn't sure how to treat the situation.

Some folks work very hard to build a good reputation, only to have it torn down by someone who is upset and doesn't think before he/she goes around spreading the news. This can be devastating to someone who has put their lives into their work. Please think before you slam someone. What if it was you? How would you feel? Yeah, you might do it differently, but under the pressure of the situation, it's not always as easy to make some decisions.

eBay isn't a bad place. It has many more good people than bad ones. Do what you can to protect your own transactions and you'll have a much more pleasant experience. Buying pool cues and supplies can be expensive and it is always wise to be cautious with so much money, unless you just don't care. (If that's the case, PLEASE send some my way! :D )

Renee' (Gene's wife)
 
I haven't seen any ebay slamming going on...what I see is AzB members warning others of fraudulent listings, and sellers that happen to be on ebay..... when you have anywhere from 5000-7000 billiard related sight unseen auctions on any given day your going to have some issues. I appreciate it when I see a member on this board giving us the heads up on a listing, and I hope it continues. It's unfortunate that Daniel, and my thread had to trigger your thread....
 
i have to agree withthe others.there are lots a transactions done on Ebay and some go bad and then they get reported here,for our benefit and knowledge.now we know who not to deal with over there.some people here do have a negative attitude towards Ebay,but you might too if you got ripped off.
 
Your best bet (and I speak from years of experience buying and selling) is to always check feedback. If they have a strong feedback record as a seller, or buyer and seller then you should be confident. If they are NEW sellers, but have some good seller feedback, and will also accept PAYPAL - then I will give them a shot (haven't had any misfires as of yet).

Excessively low feedback for buying $3.00 items...well...I remain hesitant. I need to see a proven track record.

Just my .02.
 
Ebay has brought some of the negative comments on themselves by their association with Paypal, and the lack of assistance you get when there is a problem. It seems like a conflict of interest, and there is little recourse when the seller is being difficult. Ebay is good for some purchases, but seems to be a dumping ground for pool cues. I've had to send back almost every cue i've purchased on eBay, and should have sent back some of the other ones, which means only 2 of 10 have been acceptable, and i'm not that picky. Cues that don't sell on AZB, go to eBay. Also, eBay needs to do a better job of alerting people to the "scam or "spoof" auctions. Even when eBay ends the auction themselves they don't really tell you what was going on, it would be nice to know.
 
snowmon34 said:
....It's unfortunate that Daniel, and my thread had to trigger your thread....

Please don't think I was saying that all posts about bad eBay experiences are a problem. I totally agree that some of these warnings are a really good thing. Some of the sellers (and buyers) really do need to experience their true reflections and for some, it takes a good public arising to make them do what's right. It's sad, but true.

When there are comments about not buying on eBay anymore, or calling it fleabay, or mentioning it like it has cooties... THOSE are the biggest things I was speaking of. Many of the newcomers and the younger folks might not realize that eBay can be a good thing and reading the negative comments can prevent them from ever even trying to find out that eBay can be a great place for a good deal. They do need to realize the dangers of dealing sight-unseen and be prepared to protect themselves from the monsters.

I think what I'm probably aiming at is just trying to get everyone to realize that not everyone knows eBay can be a good place and if they read just the right threads and especially some of the comments, they will never find out, because they will never chance it.

I've seen some really sorry deals happen to some folks, thanks to eBay, but many, many more good deals happen. It's just that --to me-- it seems like AZB seems to be a place that a little more care should be exercised in some of the frustrated comments. This forum is a wonderful thing and the comments people make really do carry a lot of weight, BECAUSE it is a fairly well-controlled, fairly respectable atmosphere.

No, there are not one or two incidents which instigated this thread. I just wanted to help folks realize their words carry a lot of weight... especially the ones they never realize they say.

I know there are probably going to be some misunderstandings of my reasons for this post. I just felt the need to help folks realize how a simple comment can be taken very negatively. Some folks are negative by nature and will feed on others' grief. That causes more "stuff" and it can easily snowball to unreal proportions. If you go back through and read some of the comments about eBay experiences as if you've never been there and try to see the impression it leaves, you might understand where I'm coming from on this.

Thanks for reading my thread and for your input. I really appreciate all the feedback.

Renee' (Gene's wife)
 
cuesblues said:
Ebay has brought some of the negative comments on themselves by their association with Paypal, and the lack of assistance you get when there is a problem...

Ahhhhhh...... PayPal. Now there's another controversial subject. Probably for another thread, but I'm going to address it, anyway.

PayPal does seem to cost more to fix a problem than it's worth and they have rules which seem to prevent you from fixing the problem through them, if you have worked at it long enough that you went past their limits, which aren't very long.

At the same time....

With PayPal, you don't have to worry about whether the money is counterfeit. You don't have to worry if the checks or money orders or cashier's checks are fakes. You don't have to worry that someone's check might bounce. The money is transferred from their account to yours and when you get it, it's from the bank. If the bank gives you bad money, that's another story. It does happen, but the chances are fairly slim.

There's a good and bad side to all these things. People have to decide for themselves what side weighs more toward their needs.
 
Hello

I have bought well over 100 Qs on eBay, plus other misc. items. So far, knock on wood, I have never been taken or had a problem. Perhaps I'm an exception, I don't know, but, so far, so good.

I do think u must b careful when buying/selling. As one of the previous posters said, b sure to check the feedback and number of transactions.

Charlie
 
Another good thing to check if possible is the items previously sold by the seller. If all they have sold in the past is used cars and haven't sold any for a while, and all of a sudden they have a Bushka and a Szam for sale....

.......RUN!!!!!!!!


:D

Russ.......
 
I am an ebay freak and as everyone says here just try and do as much research as possible. I also trade high end watches and yes there are fakes but most of the time they are legit.

In regards to cues, I wouldnt buy from any one with little feedback, but then again the research on what the seller is selling and buying is a good start. I have gone as far as contacting previous customers on higher end transactions of the seller just to ask questions and usually they are helpful. Now Ebay has some messaging policy that prevents this I think.

I do use paypal as it does help your selling- but also I think about how much $ I've made by selling stuff I've had sitting around the house. Its not much but its alot better than collecting dust...

some of the best pool related items I've got on ebay:

Playing off the rail book- $5
Predator Shaft- $85
Lot of pool books- $25 ( retail at least $50)
Cues- a few mid-range here and there but defintely a deal.
Case- a few 1x2's for extra cues. $25

You cant beat these prices anywhere.
 
Contacting previous buyers

150shot said:
...I have gone as far as contacting previous customers on higher end transactions of the seller just to ask questions and usually they are helpful. Now Ebay has some messaging policy that prevents this I think...

All I could find on eBay about contacting other buyers was...
"Transaction interference - Contacting other buyers by email to warn them about a seller or item is not permitted."

I was unable to find anything about contacting previous buyers about their experiences, before you bid. There is a good chance eBay has that one hidden in their mess of rules, though. So, I'd check with eBay before contacting a previous buyer. But, IF they say it's okay and you're wanting a high price item and unsure about the seller, then I'd ask the other buyers before I bid, or just hold my money for something else.

150shot said:
some of the best pool related items I've got on ebay:...

I've also bought and sold a few hundred items in the past few years. I've had very few bad experiences, but I asked for most of them by not doing my homework. Sometimes, I had a bad feeling, but it was a small-priced item that I couldn't find more of and it was worth it (to me) to take the chance. Sometimes, that chance turned out okay. Sometimes, I just had to grin and bear it, because I was to blame for not heeding my own concerns. :(
 
I've bought a few things on ebay, but only two cues. The first was a Lucasi and the forearm was warped. The seller insisted it was straight. The second was an unknown cue, the forearm and shaft were warped and the butt rotates 360 degrees. The seller said the cue was in good shape. I still have the unknown cue if anybody wants this ebay gem.

I play with a Schon which I rolled and played with before I bought it. I payed more than I would have on ebay but I wanted a straight cue.

I've bought a number of other items with no problem on ebay but when it comes to cues I am reluctant to use ebay.
 
Why?

poolhustler said:
Another good thing to check if possible is the items previously sold by the seller. If all they have sold in the past is used cars and haven't sold any for a while, and all of a sudden they have a Bushka and a Szam for sale....

.......RUN!!!!!!!!


:D

Russ.......

Why? What makes you so sure this guy isn't a respectable member of a pool league, who just happens to sell used cars? Maybe he found the cue of his dreams and wants to sell his current ones to make the money for the new one he wants so bad. Please clarify why a person should run from this guy's sales. Maybe it might be reason to be wary, but it would be a good idea to keep in mind that everyday folks also sell their pool cues, not just cuemakers and cue dealers.

Am I missing something, here? Maybe I'm having a clueless day, or something.
 
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