Advice when CB is close to OB

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Finger-Thingy

As long as you don't have to jack up there is a way to do it I think. I have never tried it but have seen it done (never in a match though). Keep the cue as level as you can. Line up how far you want to follow through and use your hand on the but end of the cue to stop your follow through to avoid the double hit by stopping it with the table. I am not sure if I am explaining it right but I am sure someone else can.

BVal

Interestingly enough, Tony Robles pulled this move on Thorsten in the finals of the NJ Straight Pool Championships 2 weekends ago. They were in a safety battle with the CB jammed up in the rack. Tony was behind in fouls and needed to move the CB just slightly to nudge the 4 ball into the place he wanted, but the CB was so close to the 4 ball, the risk of double hitting the CB was very high. He measured how far he wanted the cue to go using his pointer finger on his back hand nudged against the rail to guide him. (Imagine you make a "gun sign" with you hand and then point it down and hold the butt of your cue with the remaining middle, ring and pinky fingers.) His made the hit and the CB was not double hit b/c his pointer finger stopped the cue from moving forward anymore.

If anyone was out there at Comet, you know the safety battle I'm referring to. Tony was able to get a ball out of the rack (being on 2 fouls) and leave Thorsten in the rack. It was unbelievable. Even Thorsten was so impressed, he went over and gave Tony props when he saw what had been done to him. AWESOME!

 

[Patrick Johnson]

There are alot of shots that if explained in the words of the shooter may sound impossible but when we see it shot, it makes sense then. All I am trying to do is share experience-with words.

Sure - I know it's hard to explain these things. That's why I'm trying to clarify what your description might mean by pointing out what it can't mean. I'd be interested to see how you actually stroke this shot - it's a tough one that I have trouble with too!

pj
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[klockdoc]

The shot in the hustler involves the CB being frozen to the OB, thus making it legal to stroke forward through both balls. Andrew

I understand this, that is why I mentioned that the two balls are frozen to the rail.

I was not suggesting that the shot you posted is shot in the same manner as the bank shot ; I was mearly using it to show how the shot would be bridged when shooting through the top of the cue ball as others were wondering.

I personally like the idea of choking up on the cue as Mark suggested. I will need to try that.

Good luck. I'm sure you'll figure it out.

 

[Neil]

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[sde]

In Bob?s article, he suggests using the rail to stop the cue. This does work, but there are two problems with this method. It hurts to hit the rail with your hand, and as he mentioned, the rail has to be the right distance from the cue ball.

The pendulum stroke, with no elbow drop, can be used effectively for the same result, and it works for any cue ball location. The trick is to choke up on the cue so that your grip hand is at your finish position when the cue tip is almost touching the cue ball. With a normal backswing, you can accelerate until your grip hand hits your finish position. There will be a little give in your flesh that provides a slight amount of follow through.

With a little practice, you will find that perfect grip position that stops the cue before a double hit. You can use this technique for follow or draw.

Those who drop their elbow will have difficulty with this technique.

To avoid arguments, always get a referee or knowledgeable third party to watch the hit.

Scott Lee showed and demonstrated this shot to me a couple of months ago for drawing the ball. With the a separation of about one half inch between cue ball and the object ball he was able to draw the cue ball the length of the table with no problem.

After reading this thread, I decided to try it for the first time, before league last night. As you said it took some practice of finding the correct grip position, but on about the fifth attempt I was able to draw the ball about 6 feet. This may not sound like much to many of better players here, but for me it was great.

Before my lesson with Scott I was lucky to draw the 6 feet with a full stroke. I guess my hours and hours of Mother Drills is finally starting to pay off!

Steve

btw, Thanks Scott!!