Aiming - It Isn't That Hard

[Pidge]

With all the high school girl type *****ing that goes on in here anyone would think aiming is the hardest part in pool.

This is the only way to make balls in pool, Stephanie. It will open up a new world of possibilities!

I don't care Marissa. Brad said it sucks. He said he hasn't tried it but he is like toootally awesome at physics and Mr Smith said he is tooootally like going to pass physics class and he said it cant possibly work. Oh, and Brad also plays on the lacrosse team so that makes me believe him even more.

Stfu Stephanie. I heard Brad gets laughed at in the showers after lacrosse so that's why he doesn't know what he is talking about! Besides, Brads a douche bag.

I don't care Marissa. Brad said to go with an aiming system that has been proven to work by physics, and I'm going to do that.

Yeah, well...um...brad got crabs from Chloe at Derek's party last weekend. So that's why you're so ignorant and short sighted when it comes to aiming.

Marissa, like what the heck is that in your car?

Oh, that's my pet duck Stephanie.

What's it got in its mouth.

Oh FFS, its eating my Cranfield arrow!

So, this is how I basically see the aiming discussions on this site. A lot of *****ing for the sake of *****ing.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, chill the hell out. Let people be. If they want to use [insert aiming system here], it doesn't give anyone the right chase them around the WWW calling them a witch and demanding they prove they don't use voodoo by jumping off a cliff.

Happy Saturday

 

[336Robin]

Thats my message in a Nutshell

I guess what I'm trying to say is, chill the hell out. Let people be. If they want to use [insert aiming system here], it doesn't give anyone the right chase them around the WWW calling them a witch and demanding they prove they don't use voodoo by jumping off a cliff.

Happy Saturday

Discounting the rest of your rant, thats my message Pidge. It's not all that complicated but there some things I found that lead to success for me that I think are worth sharing if people care to ask by taking a look at what I have.

I'm not hating on anyone else's version. I offer help to those that want it and that's what Im basically sticking to.

A lady where I go play asked me if she could watch me practice the other day and I said sure and she played on the table behind me and we occasionally talked so when I packed up I went over and we talked and I showed her what I did. She was kind of lost as to what to do and she told me that what I told her made a lot of sense and to me that meant a lot.

It comes from people who want help. If they do then what you say will mean something if it makes sense and you are right it does not have to be so complicated or confrontational. You are so right.

 

[ENGLISH!]

With all the high school girl type *****ing that goes on in here anyone would think aiming is the hardest part in pool.

This is the only way to make balls in pool, Stephanie. It will open up a new world of possibilities!

I don't care Marissa. Brad said it sucks. He said he hasn't tried it but he is like toootally awesome at physics and Mr Smith said he is tooootally like going to pass physics class and he said it cant possibly work. Oh, and Brad also plays on the lacrosse team so that makes me believe him even more.

Stfu Stephanie. I heard Brad gets laughed at in the showers after lacrosse so that's why he doesn't know what he is talking about! Besides, Brads a douche bag.

I don't care Marissa. Brad said to go with an aiming system that has been proven to work by physics, and I'm going to do that.

Yeah, well...um...brad got crabs from Chloe at Derek's party last weekend. So that's why you're so ignorant and short sighted when it comes to aiming.

Marissa, like what the heck is that in your car?

Oh, that's my pet duck Stephanie.

What's it got in its mouth.

Oh FFS, its eating my Cranfield arrow!

So, this is how I basically see the aiming discussions on this site. A lot of *****ing for the sake of *****ing.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, chill the hell out. Let people be. If they want to use [insert aiming system here], it doesn't give anyone the right chase them around the WWW calling them a witch and demanding they prove they don't use voodoo by jumping off a cliff.

Happy Saturday

Based on that...I'm siding with Stephanie.

Marissa is way too cattie FOR ME.:wink:

Have a Great Weekend Everyone!

 

[Pidge]

Lol

I know you meant it in a joking manner but you touched upon something that just adds fuel to the fire in this forum and makes threads into 10+ pages of name calling and sly digs at each other.

The taking of sides. It takes the enjoyment right out of the aiming section for me.

If I saw a guy getting beaten to a pulp on the street by 6 thugs for believing I something I am against, I wouldn't go a join in on the beating. But that's what seems to happen on here and it is seen as the norm and ok. Arguing isn't fun. Learning and sharing what knowledge you may have is fun. I've been guilty of kicking a guy when he's down on here, I think most have. I put it down to my age at times. I don't know what excuse the older gang on here have though. Take CJ for example and I hope he doesn't mind me using this as an example. We clashed all the time in the past. We had differences in opinions on about nearly everything. Its hard once you clash with someone to then take a U turn when they post something good and say nice post. I've come to respect CJ a lot more for putting up with the crap I threw his way. It doesn't mean I still agree with 100% of what he says, but when I disagree I keep my mouth shut as to not distract others who may use his posts as a learning tool. Now, the only interactions we have are when I acknowledge a good post by him, and visa versa. It makes life less stressful.

This is what needs to be done in the aiming section. People need to stop the bickering because it isn't helping the people wanting to learn about such systems by reading through multiple pages of crap.

 

[336Robin]

Agree 100%

Lol

I know you meant it in a joking manner but you touched upon something that just adds fuel to the fire in this forum and makes threads into 10+ pages of name calling and sly digs at each other.

The taking of sides. It takes the enjoyment right out of the aiming section for me.

If I saw a guy getting beaten to a pulp on the street by 6 thugs for believing I something I am against, I wouldn't go a join in on the beating. But that's what seems to happen on here and it is seen as the norm and ok. Arguing isn't fun. Learning and sharing what knowledge you may have is fun. I've been guilty of kicking a guy when he's down on here, I think most have. I put it down to my age at times. I don't know what excuse the older gang on here have though. Take CJ for example and I hope he doesn't mind me using this as an example. We clashed all the time in the past. We had differences in opinions on about nearly everything. Its hard once you clash with someone to then take a U turn when they post something good and say nice post. I've come to respect CJ a lot more for putting up with the crap I threw his way. It doesn't mean I still agree with 100% of what he says, but when I disagree I keep my mouth shut as to not distract others who may use his posts as a learning tool. Now, the only interactions we have are when I acknowledge a good post by him, and visa versa. It makes life less stressful.

This is what needs to be done in the aiming section. People need to stop the bickering because it isn't helping the people wanting to learn about such systems by reading through multiple pages of crap.

Yes agreed. I have things I see CJ say that I dont always agree on but I stay out of it and let him do what he does. He has some great contributions to add that a lot of people dont understand how great they truly are.

Sometimes you have to really pay attention to what is being said to find the gem in what they are saying. A great bank pool champion said something to me once at a tournament that rang in my ears for years and one day I figured it out. He didnt know how to tell me what he was trying to tell me but once I found it I surely knew.

Everyone here has something of value to add if you listen.

 

[ENGLISH!]

Lol

I know you meant it in a joking manner but you touched upon something that just adds fuel to the fire in this forum and makes threads into 10+ pages of name calling and sly digs at each other.

The taking of sides. It takes the enjoyment right out of the aiming section for me.

If I saw a guy getting beaten to a pulp on the street by 6 thugs for believing I something I am against, I wouldn't go a join in on the beating. But that's what seems to happen on here and it is seen as the norm and ok. Arguing isn't fun. Learning and sharing what knowledge you may have is fun. I've been guilty of kicking a guy when he's down on here, I think most have. I put it down to my age at times. I don't know what excuse the older gang on here have though. Take CJ for example and I hope he doesn't mind me using this as an example. We clashed all the time in the past. We had differences in opinions on about nearly everything. Its hard once you clash with someone to then take a U turn when they post something good and say nice post. I've come to respect CJ a lot more for putting up with the crap I threw his way. It doesn't mean I still agree with 100% of what he says, but when I disagree I keep my mouth shut as to not distract others who may use his posts as a learning tool. Now, the only interactions we have are when I acknowledge a good post by him, and visa versa. It makes life less stressful.

This is what needs to be done in the aiming section. People need to stop the bickering because it isn't helping the people wanting to learn about such systems by reading through multiple pages of crap.

You're right & I agree. If any 2 parties have a difference of opinion they should be able to discuss it in a civil manner. They may come to an agreement or find some common ground or simply decide that they are of different opinions. That civil discussion may be beneficial to one or both of them & if not perhaps to another 3rd. party or parties.

The thing is that some if not many seem to lack logical 'debating' skills or manner & when they don't 'win' the 'debate' that resort to attacking the individual & that never ends well.

Also closed minds are never a good thing when discussing a difference of opinion. Then throw in that here we are dealing only in text format & other complications arise.

It was not too long after I was joined here that I started a thread in the instructor forum regarding civility. If I could transfer it to the aiming forum I'd give it bump.

Anyway I agree with you.

Have a great weekend & Everyone Else as well,
Rick

 

[ronscuba]

I agree some of the arguing is kind of silly. For example, arguments about the definition of certain words and terminology.

I think much of what fuels the fire is some aiming methods are being marketed and sold. Nothing wrong with marketing and selling an idea or method, but many of the debates center on the validity of the marketing claims.

 

[336Robin]

I agree some of the arguing is kind of silly. For example, arguments about the definition of certain words and terminology.

I think much of what fuels the fire is some aiming methods are being marketed and sold. Nothing wrong with marketing and selling an idea or method, but many of the debates center on the validity of the marketing claims.

Ha, Ha,

Yeah its ends up like two kids on the playground saying...Mine can! No it can't!, Yes it can!, No it Can't! But mine is better!, No its not!....then the name calling and on downhill from that.

 

[ENGLISH!]

I sold advertising for quite a few years. I often asked my clients questions, like:

Is that true?

Can you back that up?

Are you sure you want to say that?

Wouldn't you rather say that this way? Etc.

There's such a thing as the Consumer Protection Agency.

Then there was Joe Friday who would often say, 'Just the facts Ma'am, Just the facts.'.

Best 2 All,
Rick

 

[ronscuba]

In this day and age of the internet with information and video so readily available, it must be difficult selling aiming ideas and methods.

If the idea and method were simple there would be no reason to buy the DVD because it would be easy to understand and explain on the internet.

 

[ENGLISH!]

In this day and age of the internet with information and video so readily available, it must be difficult selling aiming ideas and methods.

If the idea and method were simple there would be no reason to buy the DVD because it would be easy to understand and explain on the internet.

Ron,

You have a point that might be worth some consideration.

Best 2 You...& All,
Rick

 

[336Robin]

Subjectivity is for Real

In this day and age of the internet with information and video so readily available, it must be difficult selling aiming ideas and methods.

If the idea and method were simple there would be no reason to buy the DVD because it would be easy to understand and explain on the internet.

Oh yes it is, people here have been marketed to by a lot of well intentioned people and some have delivered what people were wanting and others might not have depending on who you ask or for what reason.

I don't think anyone means any harm. I think we all want more people to play pool but the argument seems to stem from all these claims of perfection which are hard to prove because aiming itself is very subjective.

I want to make things easy and make it fun and hopefully more people will play. I dont like seeing people quit playing because they stink and have no idea how to get better.

 

[stan shuffett]

Oh yes it is, people here have been marketed to by a lot of well intentioned people and some have delivered what people were wanting and others might not have depending on who you ask or for what reason.

I don't think anyone means any harm. I think we all want more people to play pool but the argument seems to stem from all these claims of perfection which are hard to prove because aiming itself is very subjective.

I want to make things easy and make it fun and hopefully more people will play. I dont like seeing people quit playing because they stink and have no idea how to get better.

"All these claims of perfection"

Can you show me a few of the claims that reference the word "perfection"?

I do not think claims of perfection exist as you suggest!

Stan Shuffett

 

[336Robin]

"All these claims of perfection"

Can you show me a few of the claims that reference the word "perfection"?

I do not think claims of perfection exist as you suggest!

Stan Shuffett

I wasn't addressing you or your system Stan. There are many more systems that yours or mine. I actually admire what you have done and I ask that you not address me in any way in a confrontational nature. All systems have to profess a certain amount of statements that tell how well their systems work including mine and yours. Peace be with you.

 

[stan shuffett]

I wasn't addressing you or your system Stan. There are many more systems that yours or mine. I actually admire what you have done and I ask that you not address me in any way in a confrontational nature. All systems have to profess a certain amount of statements that tell how well their systems work including mine and yours. Peace be with you.

I was nonconfrontational and I find it very difficult to accept that CTE PRO ONE was not in your mix......concerning your comment.

Stan Shuffett

 

[336Robin]

Misinterpretation

I was nonconfrontational and I find it very difficult to accept that CTE PRO ONE was not in your mix......concerning your comment.

Stan Shuffett

I can understand how you might misinterpret that but I am not referring to anything you have said yourself. Others here have made a lot of noise about how well your and other systems work and people read that, but even then I was not referring necessarily to your system there are many systems, one you developed and from what I see that was quite an undertaking. None of us that develop systems do so easily. It cost a lot of man hours learning skills that we might not have had to start out with. Something like what you have done comes from your heart and I don't care what you say about how it performs but other people like to twist peoples good intentions and I am not one of those people. I may not personally find your system my cup of tea but aiming systems are subjective at the very least. What one finds works for him and speaks loudly to him might not do the same for another.

Earlier today I read a comment from another poster that likely referred to me and my system but I didn't ask him about it and don't intend to.

When I put my system to paper I accepted that people would talk amongst themselves about it here, but I didn't create what I did just for here by any means.

 

[stan shuffett]

I can understand how you might misinterpret that but I am not referring to anything you have said yourself. Others here have made a lot of noise about how well your and other systems work and people read that, but even then I was not referring necessarily to your system there are many systems, one you developed and from what I see that was quite an undertaking. None of us that develop systems do so easily. It cost a lot of man hours learning skills that we might not have had to start out with. Something like what you have done comes from your heart and I don't care what you say about how it performs but other people like to twist peoples good intentions and I am not one of those people. I may not personally find your system my cup of tea but aiming systems are subjective at the very least. What one finds works for him and speaks loudly to him might not do the same for another.

Earlier today I read a comment from another poster that likely referred to me and my system but I didn't ask him about it and don't intend to.

When I put my system to paper I accepted that people would talk amongst themselves about it here, but I didn't create what I did just for here by any means.

Thank you for further explanation. I appreciate what you had to say.

Stan Shuffett

 

[336Robin]

Thank you for further explanation. I appreciate what you had to say.

Stan Shuffett

I want you to know up front from me that I am impressed with the amount of people that you have helped with their games. I mean when you consider that, there is no small feat there. I'm sure that took a lot of work. I know there are a lot of people that play that would quit if they didn't get some assistance and if I have anything that I want to do is create more players. If anyone wants to accuse me of something that can be it because I'm guilty and I will take that one step further. Its likely they might not like what I'm selling and then want your dvd and my thoughts are more power to them. Our products are different and neither of them perfect for everyone.

 

[Ralph Kramden]

Sometimes you have to really pay attention to what is being said to find the gem in what they are saying. A great bank pool champion said something to me once at a tournament that rang in my ears for years and one day I figured it out. He didnt know how to tell me what he was trying to tell me but once I found it I surely knew.

Robin.. Are you referring to the eye of the ball?
.

 

[336Robin]

Robin.. Are you referring to the eye of the ball?
.

Ralph,
No I wasnt, I was referring to a reference point that was told to me for banking that he referred to.

What he said specifically was this. He pointed to a place on the rail and looked at me and said you see this point and showed me how to find it and said...

"All I know to tell you is that this is a powerful thing in pool," I had to figure it out from there and it took awhile of working with it, leaving it behind, returning to it and one day finding out what he was talking about and he was right and I used it for a long time and still use at times today.