Aiming System revisted

TheConArtist

TheConArtist

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Now first off i ain't going to ask how or what aiming system you use i am just curious about this one system i read after a search on the net. Someone mention'd a aiming system called Rotating Circles or something like that and it was one of Hals systems if i read it right, but its the first time i have seen that mention'd. Does anyone know of this and is it true it is one of Hal Houles systems? Thanks.

Note: i know it has something to do with Rotating but i can't remember if it was Rotating Circles, might be Rotating Edges.
 
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TheConArtist said:
Now first off i ain't going to ask how or what aiming system you use i am just curious about this one system i read after a search on the net. Someone mention'd a aiming system called Rotating Circles or something like that and it was one of Hals systems if i read it right, but its the first time i have seen that mention'd. Does anyone know of this and is it true it is one of Hal Houles systems? Thanks.

Note: i know it has something to do with Rotating but i can't remember if it was Rotating Circles, might be Rotating Edges.
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Not sure if that is one of Hal's but he does mention rotating edges.

The two I use when I need one are Shish-K-Bob and Center to Edge.

Regards,
Koop
 
Koop said:
Not sure if that is one of Hal's but he does mention rotating edges.

The two I use when I need one are Shish-K-Bob and Center to Edge.

Regards,
Koop
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Hey Thanks Koop i use the exact same systems, and Small Ball also. Well all the places i have asked this question no one seems to hear of it or know anything about it so i might as well leave it at that. Thanks guys.
 
TheConArtist said:
Hey Thanks Koop i use the exact same systems, and Small Ball also. Well all the places i have asked this question no one seems to hear of it or know anything about it so i might as well leave it at that. Thanks guys.
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Rotating edges is a foundation behind Hal's systems but it is not necessarily a system in itself.

Take care buddy and shoot straight.
Koop
 
I was playing nine ball last night and the lens popped out of my glasses. I am pretty near sighted. Without my glasses the balls are just blobs of color. For example, I can't distinctly see the numbers, stripes, or the edges of the balls.

It really didn't effect my play all the much. My run out percentage dropped a little, but I still was able to have innings running six or seven balls, including long straight ins. The only shots I struggled with were extreme cuts. There must be a fair margin of error on most shots, since my aiming was obviously compromised by not being able to see.

This aiming system stuff comes up all the time and I have to be honest. If I objectively analyze the reasons for my misses, it's because I don't delive r the cue ball to where I am looking, not because I aimed it wrong. If you want to make more balls, take a hard look at your pre-shot routine and your stroke.
 
i just started using an aiming system last year (modified version of hal houles), and i have to say its definitely brought my game up a ball or 2. I agree you can shoot by feel, lots of people do, i did for years......and its easy on those shots where you got the object ball somewhere in the general area of the pocket, but where the aiming system has really helped me are those shots where the object ball isnt anywhere near a pocket, like out in the middle of the table and theres balls all around it and the cueball is a couple diamonds away. Used to be i was liable to miss the pocket by a diamond or more if i couldnt see it and the object ball together in my field of vision. Now i determine what the shot is, i aim there and its in. Using the system has also helped me with those shots where you should make them, but you are just off a tad....now i make them all the time. To me rather than going up and hitting it by feel, i can overlap the two......."ok my aim point should be here........ok yeah that feels right too........". The ones where i have no feel on, i just use my aimpoint and trust it.
 
Omar said:
This aiming system stuff comes up all the time and I have to be honest. If I objectively analyze the reasons for my misses, it's because I don't delive r the cue ball to where I am looking, not because I aimed it wrong. If you want to make more balls, take a hard look at your pre-shot routine and your stroke.
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tap, tap, tap!

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
scottycoyote said:
i just started using an aiming system last year (modified version of hal houles), and i have to say its definitely brought my game up a ball or 2. I agree you can shoot by feel,
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I just don't have time to really get into this but I completely agree that your game will improve by at least what you have seen by applying a method.
Shooting by feel doesn't make much sense to me because you still have to aim. The feel, I would think, comes into play when trying to park whitey somewhere specifically on the table (position play).

Anyway, I know there are tons of people who agree and tons who disagree which is fine, but I have definitely seen results such as you since using the systems.

Regards,
Koop
 
Dave...I agree with you. However, without the pre-shot routine and repeatable stroke, no aiming system will help you improve to any significant degree...as scottycoyote will attest to! The SAM (supplemental aiming method) system we're teaching, goes hand in hand, with redefining a secure and efficient way to set up and deliver a repeatable, accurate stroke.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
 
Scott Lee said:
Dave...I agree with you. However, without the pre-shot routine and repeatable stroke, no aiming system will help you improve to any significant degree...as scottycoyote will attest to! The SAM (supplemental aiming method) system we're teaching, goes hand in hand, with redefining a secure and efficient way to set up and deliver a repeatable, accurate stroke.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Hi Scott,

No arguments here. The only point I think is ludicrous is when people say they use no aiming system at all. Whether you know it or not, we are always applying some kind of aiming system.
Now, whether it works or not is a whole nuther story :D

Regards,
Koop
 
JoeyInCali said:
Oh, in moments like this, Drivermaker is missed. lol
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I know you're kidding Joey but Drivermaker has em down pat and can knock em down with the best of em.

He taught me the systems prior to speaking with Hal.

Koop
 
laser2507 said:
I dont use an aiming system, I just shoot. Might sound rubbish but it works well for me.
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Most top poolpayers I know find the spot on the OB to the pocket and use feel to get the CB to that spot. Never saw a top pool player yet that does not lock onto the spot of the OB. Pay attention to their eyes as they pull the trigger.

It's all experience in my opinion. There is nothing magical that gets you there fast. Most players I have seen proposing systems can only run a few racks and lack CB feel.

Black Widow actually practices looking at rounded objects at times when not playing and picking out the tiniest spots.

Just my opinion.
 
Scott Lee said:
Dave...I agree with you. However, without the pre-shot routine and repeatable stroke, no aiming system will help you improve to any significant degree...as scottycoyote will attest to! The SAM (supplemental aiming method) system we're teaching, goes hand in hand, with redefining a secure and efficient way to set up and deliver a repeatable, accurate stroke.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com
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Aiming systems are mostly crap. They may be worthwhile in theory but in practice the only way to play is to figure out the place on the object ball you want the cueball to hit and then make it go there. Of the two, the second part is the tricky bit :)

I tell students it's a little like competitive target shooting. Any numbskull can figure out how to aim a gun, making the bullet go where you aim it is a whole other thing. That's why they give Olympic medals for it.

If you are missing shots it's about 99% likely that it's not because of how you're aiming, but rather the result of not making the cue ball go where you aim.
 
Omar said:
I was playing nine ball last night and the lens popped out of my glasses. I am pretty near sighted. Without my glasses the balls are just blobs of color. For example, I can't distinctly see the numbers, stripes, or the edges of the balls.

It really didn't effect my play all the much. My run out percentage dropped a little, but I still was able to have innings running six or seven balls, including long straight ins. The only shots I struggled with were extreme cuts. There must be a fair margin of error on most shots, since my aiming was obviously compromised by not being able to see.

This aiming system stuff comes up all the time and I have to be honest. If I objectively analyze the reasons for my misses, it's because I don't delive r the cue ball to where I am looking, not because I aimed it wrong. If you want to make more balls, take a hard look at your pre-shot routine and your stroke.
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There's the problem, you are aiming the cueball instead of your cue. I think the reason you played ok without your glasses is that you don't have to see the ball clearly to tell where the center is.

unknownpro
 
unknownpro said:
There's the problem, you are aiming the cueball instead of your cue. I think the reason you played ok without your glasses is that you don't have to see the ball clearly to tell where the center is.

unknownpro
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Thank you. What a beautiful statement. I was bashed for this in an earlier thread, but then again I just ignored the bashing.

GREAT Post!!!!!.
 
unknownpro said:
There's the problem, you are aiming the cueball instead of your cue. I think the reason you played ok without your glasses is that you don't have to see the ball clearly to tell where the center is.

unknownpro
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So, on super thin cuts, do you pick a rail or distant target for your cue instead of aiming edge to edge?
 
In fact my statement was that the CB was part of your equipment, an extension to your cue. You do not need to look at the tip except to make sure you have one on your stick and it is chalked, or the CB except for a verification of were your tip is in relation to it. After that, you just know where it is and you can forget the CB. You can manipulate it entirely on ANY stroke. How the CB arrives at the point of the OB were contact is made is pure feel.
 
pete lafond said:
Thank you. What a beautiful statement. I was bashed for this in an earlier thread, but then again I just ignored the bashing.

GREAT Post!!!!!.
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Thanks for the compliment, but I'm afraid you misinterpreted my meaning. I meant that you should be aiming the cue, instead of the cueball. You said before that most top players are looking at a spot on the object ball, and I believe you are probably right. Most players do, even top players. I beat many of them playing that way for years. But when people would ask me what I was looking at when I played my best, I didn't know, because it was feel like you have said, I zoned out and wasn't really focusing on a spot.

Later, I realized that was the problem. Under pressure, the harder I tried to make the ball, the more likely I was to miss, because I was focusing more on the spot on the ball, and more on really following through so that the cueball doesn't curve off line, which makes it very hard to make the ball. You must be shooting your cue on a different line of aim than you are looking at using that method.

The correct way, imo, is to aim along the cue stick line to the point it must go to in order to pocket the ball using the english you desire without curving the cueball. If you are using center ball, cutting 90 degrees that will be shooting the center of your cue stick 1 and 1/8 inches outside of the object ball. Straight outside english it is 2 and 1/4 inches outside the object ball sighting along the inside edge of the cue. Straight inside it is just inside the object ball sighting along the outside of the cue.

Lower and higher english will reduce the offsets and you must concentrate on not letting the cueball curve. At 9 o'clock english it would be 5/16 inches. It's harder to keep out the curve using high, so I avoid high side english unless the object ball is very close.

I think a lot of people get confused by using a little english. A full stroke doesn't care if you are 1/2 tip or 1 tip over, you can deflect the cueball to the same spot, one will have more spin. When shooting easy, it's easier to use a lot of english to deflect the ball quickly.

Sorry bout the misunderstanding. I was happy to have a compliment, and I try not to bash, but I don't always succeed!

unknownpro
 
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