But isn't there a difference between questioning "something" and questioning "everything" that someone posts here? Because it sure seems that way, sometimes...and that's what drags these threads down.
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Aiming Systems - The End Justifies the Means
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But isn't there a difference between questioning "something" and questioning "everything" that someone posts here? Because it sure seems that way, sometimes...and that's what drags these threads down.
Is it the right time to start talking about the backstroke?
Is it the right time to start talking about the backstroke, or is this going to be controversial too? :wink:
Is it the right time to start talking about the backstroke, or is this going to be controversial too? :wink:
Is it the right time to start talking about the backstroke, or is this going to be controversial too? :wink:
That's a big girl! 6'3" I'd say.
Best,
Mike
Is it the right time to start talking about the backstroke, or is this going to be controversial too? :wink:
That one right there looks just fine to me.:wink:
Is it the right time to start talking about the backstroke, or is this going to be controversial too? :wink:
CJ, to make it easier for others to find in the future, it would be best to start a new thread for each "topic". And, "backstroke" should be in the main forum, not the aiming forum.
Just some "cookie humor"....the "gurus" get a bit too serious at times.
Just some "cookie humor"....the "gurus" get a bit too serious at times.
Just some "cookie humor"....the "gurus" get a bit too serious at times.
CJ you talk like this inside touch is such a wonderful thing and it may be.Also using any type of aiming system is going at pretty much wrong.
You have to connect to the balls some how.(we all must in order to be successful)
Basically you've given us an ideal on what you do but you havent discussed unless I've missed it some where how you go about your process which has made you so great at making shots.
I would like to hear how you approach any given shot from start to finish.
(with inside)
If you use know aiming system know way of connecting the balls you are basically just guessing and add inside to that is a really tough guess.
And I feel theres is only2 systems that really have the rite approach and that is the bob system and ball to ball .
Hope you understand Im not trying to be argumentative here.
Anthony
You have to connect to the balls some how.(we all must in order to be successful)
Basically you've given us an ideal on what you do but you havent discussed unless I've missed it some where how you go about your process which has made you so great at making shots.
I would like to hear how you approach any given shot from start to finish.
(with inside)
If you use know aiming system know way of connecting the balls you are basically just guessing and add inside to that is a really tough guess.
And I feel theres is only2 systems that really have the rite approach and that is the bob system and ball to ball .
Hope you understand Im not trying to be argumentative here.
Anthony
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I believe it's a simple thing for our subconscous to create any angle
That's a fair question Anthony. I go through my aiming system in my Ultimate Pool Secrets and basically I believe that I can create any angle by connecting a portion of the Cue Ball to either the center or the edge (opposite the pocket I'm shooting at) of the Object Ball.
On a straight in shot I connect the center to the center. Then as the angle increases I decrease how much of the Cue Ball I'm connecting to it. Then after I "Connect the Dots" above the shot I get down and then use the Center of the Cue Ball to aim with.
At this point it really doesn't matter much what I'm using to aim with because I create the angle BEFORE I get down on the Cue Ball. Then I get down on the Cue Ball slightly to the Inside and make sure I accelerate. If I undercut it I increase my speed or I hit slightly less of the Cue Ball to the Center of the Object Ball.
I calibrate my angles using what people used to call "Kentucky Windage", so basically just adjust and compensate until I hit the center of the pocket and then move on to another angle. I believe it's a simple thing for our subconscous to create any angle we need so I concentrate on "Feeling" the angle with my eyes. This takes the pressure off trying to see see the angles which I find difficult to do. Once I get to a half ball (30* angle) I transition from using the center of the Object Ball to the Edge of the Object Ball for me "connection point" or "reference point" and then create the angles more than thirty degrees the same way.
I just use 4 reference point off the Cue Ball and one of them is the center, so I really just use 7 total. You can see them as numbers on a clockface, dots on the side of the ball or sections on the Cue Ball. I don't think the visual part is as important as many people, I'm more interested in letting my subconscious "Feel" the shot with the "Touch" of Inside. I believe the Game is more about the Kinesthetic* Sense than the Visual one.
* What is kinesthetic sense? It is the sense that tells a home-run hitter that the ball will go out of the park, because he hit the ball just right & he knows before the crowd does that the ball is on the way to the bleachers. The proprioceptors in his muscles as he swings the bat send information to his brain, which puts together all the sensory input and formulates based on past experience what feels right. Someone like Sadaharu Oh, the Japanese baseball player who holds the all-time world record of 868 home runs, would have an excellent sense of what it feels like to hit a home run. Like kinesthetic sense, proprioception describes how much we know about where we are in space and where all of our parts are in relationship to each other.
That's a fair question Anthony. I go through my aiming system in my Ultimate Pool Secrets and basically I believe that I can create any angle by connecting a portion of the Cue Ball to either the center or the edge (opposite the pocket I'm shooting at) of the Object Ball.
On a straight in shot I connect the center to the center. Then as the angle increases I decrease how much of the Cue Ball I'm connecting to it. Then after I "Connect the Dots" above the shot I get down and then use the Center of the Cue Ball to aim with.
At this point it really doesn't matter much what I'm using to aim with because I create the angle BEFORE I get down on the Cue Ball. Then I get down on the Cue Ball slightly to the Inside and make sure I accelerate. If I undercut it I increase my speed or I hit slightly less of the Cue Ball to the Center of the Object Ball.
I calibrate my angles using what people used to call "Kentucky Windage", so basically just adjust and compensate until I hit the center of the pocket and then move on to another angle. I believe it's a simple thing for our subconscous to create any angle we need so I concentrate on "Feeling" the angle with my eyes. This takes the pressure off trying to see see the angles which I find difficult to do. Once I get to a half ball (30* angle) I transition from using the center of the Object Ball to the Edge of the Object Ball for me "connection point" or "reference point" and then create the angles more than thirty degrees the same way.
I just use 4 reference point off the Cue Ball and one of them is the center, so I really just use 7 total. You can see them as numbers on a clockface, dots on the side of the ball or sections on the Cue Ball. I don't think the visual part is as important as many people, I'm more interested in letting my subconscious "Feel" the shot with the "Touch" of Inside. I believe the Game is more about the Kinesthetic* Sense than the Visual one.
* What is kinesthetic sense? It is the sense that tells a home-run hitter that the ball will go out of the park, because he hit the ball just right & he knows before the crowd does that the ball is on the way to the bleachers. The proprioceptors in his muscles as he swings the bat send information to his brain, which puts together all the sensory input and formulates based on past experience what feels right. Someone like Sadaharu Oh, the Japanese baseball player who holds the all-time world record of 868 home runs, would have an excellent sense of what it feels like to hit a home run. Like kinesthetic sense, proprioception describes how much we know about where we are in space and where all of our parts are in relationship to each other.
Your :welcome:. Glad I could :help: you out.
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This is huge to me, and it is just one of the numerous little morsels I've noticed you dropping that others may be totally missing in their quest for geometric perfection.
Lately I've been going down to the table and practicing for about a hour every day... WITHOUT my glasses. I am quite nearsighted and have had a major eye injury that makes glare from the lights almost intolerable at times, so you might figure this is a great handicap. Fact is, I have noticed very little difference in my pocketing percentages as compared to shooting with the glasses on. Only on certain shots (for example, where I can't tell from a distance if the OB is frozen to the rail or not) do I have any real trouble.
In fact, I feel more free without the glasses, just going with the feel of the shot rather than trying to find some minuscule point on a ball 6 feet away and trying to make contact with it. Trust it will go in and it will most of the time. When it doesn't, I usually know the instant I strike the white ball. It just doesn't feel right, probably because I didn't wait for "it" to happen, and the ball almost never goes in when I feel that feeling.
I'm sure you've read "Zen in the Art of Archery". This concept is drummed home throughout the book, and is where I first got the idea of using the great unconscious to make... no, ALLOW the shot to happen. Great read if you haven't already.
standing taller increase my Connection to the Game and also increase my Feel.
Yes, indeed, I've read it 5 or 6 times and it was recommended to me by one of my mentors Dalton Leong when I was 18. "The hitter and the target must become one".
I practive a lot in the dark and I also like to practice standing about a foot higher than I usually do. These things, especially standing taller increase my Connection to the Game and also increase my Feel.
I'll continue to drop the "morsels" as you call them. It's interesting to see how many "full" players there are on here, and I know there's many more that are benefiting. It's just the way of the world and in a way it's perfect. 'The Game is the Teacher'
This is huge to me, and it is just one of the numerous little morsels I've noticed you dropping that others may be totally missing in their quest for geometric perfection.
Lately I've been going down to the table and practicing for about a hour every day... WITHOUT my glasses. I am quite nearsighted and have had a major eye injury that makes glare from the lights almost intolerable at times, so you might figure this is a great handicap. Fact is, I have noticed very little difference in my pocketing percentages as compared to shooting with the glasses on. Only on certain shots (for example, where I can't tell from a distance if the OB is frozen to the rail or not) do I have any real trouble.
In fact, I feel more free without the glasses, just going with the feel of the shot rather than trying to find some minuscule point on a ball 6 feet away and trying to make contact with it. Trust it will go in and it will most of the time. When it doesn't, I usually know the instant I strike the white ball. It just doesn't feel right, probably because I didn't wait for "it" to happen, and the ball almost never goes in when I feel that feeling.
I'm sure you've read "Zen in the Art of Archery". This concept is drummed home throughout the book, and is where I first got the idea of using the great unconscious to make... no, ALLOW the shot to happen. Great read if you haven't already.
Yes, indeed, I've read it 5 or 6 times and it was recommended to me by one of my mentors Dalton Leong when I was 18. "The hitter and the target must become one".
I practive a lot in the dark and I also like to practice standing about a foot higher than I usually do. These things, especially standing taller increase my Connection to the Game and also increase my Feel.
I'll continue to drop the "morsels" as you call them. It's interesting to see how many "full" players there are on here, and I know there's many more that are benefiting. It's just the way of the world and in a way it's perfect. 'The Game is the Teacher'
Why do think there is a beef? JFTR, I totally agree with you that every individual player must develop their own PSR.
Also: please show me where I said there needed to be a "so what" if it were indeed (probably) marketing?
Lou Figueroa
You and I don't agree so often, Neil, but I have to on this one. I mean, WTF (meaning: what the fluck)? Where is anyone saying they don't want someone here? Or even more pointedly, glad or not any particular individual, pro or otherwise, is here? I truly believe everyone should be welcomed here if they can be civil. But questioning someone's logic is not disrespectful or saying someone shouldn't be here. Neither is questioning the motivation for the repackaging of well established ideas. Unfortunately... some folks have become such macadamia clasper fanboys, sucking up every word as if pearls before the swine, that it's difficult most times to just not laugh out loud.
Lou Figueroa
lol
Thanks for your response.
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I just use 4 reference point off the Cue Ball and one of them is the center, so I really just use 7 total.
So are you saying your system puts you always short of the pocket?
The only reason Im asking is because if I where to use lets say cte and I put myself in the rite position to make the shot center pocket no need to put inside.(for sure over cut)
How does your system put you in such a position for this to happen.
You mite fall perfect no need ,you mite fall already over cutting,adjust backwards.Knowing you fall short is the is key here.(I think)
If I,m giving you a head ache let me know.:smile:
Anthony
I would suggest not tampering with anything
So are you saying your system puts you always short of the pocket?
The only reason Im asking is because if I where to use lets say cte and I put myself in the rite position to make the shot center pocket no need to put inside.(for sure over cut)
How does your system put you in such a position for this to happen.
You mite fall perfect no need ,you mite fall already over cutting,adjust backwards.Knowing you fall short is the is key here.(I think)
If I,m giving you a head ache let me know.:smile:
Anthony[/QUOTE]
If you can put yourself in a position to hit the center of the pocket you'll be fine. I would suggest not tampering with anything. My system isn't for everyone.
I just use 4 reference point off the Cue Ball and one of them is the center, so I really just use 7 total.
So are you saying your system puts you always short of the pocket?
The only reason Im asking is because if I where to use lets say cte and I put myself in the rite position to make the shot center pocket no need to put inside.(for sure over cut)
How does your system put you in such a position for this to happen.
You mite fall perfect no need ,you mite fall already over cutting,adjust backwards.Knowing you fall short is the is key here.(I think)
If I,m giving you a head ache let me know.:smile:
Anthony[/QUOTE]
If you can put yourself in a position to hit the center of the pocket you'll be fine. I would suggest not tampering with anything. My system isn't for everyone.
If you can put yourself in a position to hit the center of the pocket you'll be fine. I would suggest not tampering with anything. My system isn't for everyone.[/QUOTE]
That's not really answering my question..:grin:
Or maybe you did.:wink:
Thanks Anthony
You're going to enjoy the game
That's not really answering my question..:grin:
Or maybe you did.:wink:
Thanks Anthony[/QUOTE]
You're going to enjoy the game now, that's what matters to me. Sometimes too much change can lead someone astray. I can tell you're on the right path.
That's not really answering my question..:grin:
Or maybe you did.:wink:
Thanks Anthony[/QUOTE]
You're going to enjoy the game now, that's what matters to me. Sometimes too much change can lead someone astray. I can tell you're on the right path.
you may want to incorporate things from the Connection Calibration and anchor it
I want to get into what "Connection Calibration" is and how to do it before anyone assumes it is another word for pre shot routine. A pre shot routine is simply a routine you do each time before a shot when you stand a certain way, and see what type of shot you're going to hit and then go through your own personal routine for accomplishing the shot. These routines are essential to actually play the Game, and you may want to incorporate things from the Connection Calibration and anchor it into your permanent routine. That's different.
When I'm doing Connection Calibration, I also do it before the shot, and this is where the similarity ends. For instance if I was doing the Calibration for my right hand I would show you how to put different parts of your hand on the "Line of the Shot", then shoot the shot and FEEL the shot sensation in THAT particular part of your hand. I use my knuckles and go from the index, to the middle, to the ring finger, to the pinky, shooting usually straight in shots for the "fullest hit and sensation".
I use the right hand (if right handed) because kinesthetically it's the most important "body part" because it is directly Connected to the cue and gives you the most "feed back". I believe it's important to understand where you get the most sensitivity in your hand and why. 'The Game is the Teacher'
I agree.
Roger
I want to get into what "Connection Calibration" is and how to do it before anyone assumes it is another word for pre shot routine. A pre shot routine is simply a routine you do each time before a shot when you stand a certain way, and see what type of shot you're going to hit and then go through your own personal routine for accomplishing the shot. These routines are essential to actually play the Game, and you may want to incorporate things from the Connection Calibration and anchor it into your permanent routine. That's different.
When I'm doing Connection Calibration, I also do it before the shot, and this is where the similarity ends. For instance if I was doing the Calibration for my right hand I would show you how to put different parts of your hand on the "Line of the Shot", then shoot the shot and FEEL the shot sensation in THAT particular part of your hand. I use my knuckles and go from the index, to the middle, to the ring finger, to the pinky, shooting usually straight in shots for the "fullest hit and sensation".
I use the right hand (if right handed) because kinesthetically it's the most important "body part" because it is directly Connected to the cue and gives you the most "feed back". I believe it's important to understand where you get the most sensitivity in your hand and why. 'The Game is the Teacher'
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