AIMING VIDEO - part 2

[Bob Jewett]

Here is part two of my presentation of basic aiming ideas. Hopefully this will provide a context through which we can describe new ideas or relate old ones....

Great job, Mike.

I had not seen before (or maybe I don't remember) using the stick width as an interpolator between quarter-ball fractions. There are several books that talk about "stick aiming" which use the width of the stick one way or another, such as the books by Kukla and Vitello, but I don't think either one of those makes the fractional ball connection like this. Is this your invention?

 

[Puck]

I apologize if this is out of context since Mike's video link is restricted from my internet at work. However Bob, I believe I've seen the same measurement system described on the BAT website. I typically teach players to use this reference if they're having trouble finding the center of the cueball.

http://www.billiardaimtrainer.com/
http://www.billiardaimtrainer.com/html/3-cut_system.html
http://www.billiardaimtrainer.com/BAT_User_Manual_V5_low_res.pdf

 

[crmdog]

Great Job; presentation available

Mike: kudos on an excellent job! Just wondering, if this is powerpoint or some other downloadable format that could be taken to the pool hall to practice with?

Jim

 

[randyg]

Nope, you're wrong, Randy. A half-ball hit is the same as a half-ball aim and it results in a 30-degree cut (in the absence of throw). This is the absolutely standard way of referring to the shot. The way you have adopted is out-of-whack and confusing. Perhaps it won't be confusing to your students if they never read any of the many books that talk about fractional aiming, but if they do read such books they're sure to have some trouble understanding what those authors are talking about.

At the minimum, I think you owe it to your students that your nomenclature is unlike the standard nomenclature. Failure to do that is a disservice to your students.

Hi Bob: Help me get this straight. If a 1/2 ball aim gets us a 30 degree cut. Where do I aim for a 1/2 ball (45 degree) hit?? The same place??

Thanks....randyg

 

[mikepage]

Great job, Mike.

Thanks Bob

I had not seen before (or maybe I don't remember) using the stick width as an interpolator between quarter-ball fractions. There are several books that talk about "stick aiming" which use the width of the stick one way or another, such as the books by Kukla and Vitello, but I don't think either one of those makes the fractional ball connection like this. Is this your invention?

Yes, it's my invention--as in I made it up and hadn't seen it before.

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Thanks Bob




Yes, it's my invention--as in I made it up and hadn't seen it before.

Just to show how difficult it is to really "invent" something anymore, take a look at Puck's links. However, I'm sure you made it up yourself - you've shown that kind of creativity many times before.

pj
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[Bob Jewett]

Hi Bob: Help me get this straight. If a 1/2 ball aim gets us a 30 degree cut. Where do I aim for a 1/2 ball (45 degree) hit?? The same place??

Thanks....randyg

Randy, I'm trying to explain that the way you refer to hits and cuts is totally unlike the way everyone who has written about this before has done it.

A half ball shot has a very clear definition in nearly all of the previous work: in a half-ball shot, the center of the cue ball moves towards the edge of the object ball just as Mike Page illustrated in his video. This is both a half-ball aim and a half-ball hit. That's the way nearly everybody in the cue sport universe has referred to the shot for over 100 years. If you are still confused about that, I suggest you try reading my series on half-ball shots on the On The Break News web site, www.onthebreaknews.com. Click on "Instructional" down towards the bottom and then my link.

What almost everyone calls a quarter-ball shot has both a quarter-ball aim and a quarter-ball hit. It results in a cut not of 45 degrees, as you state above, but rather 48.59 degrees. Mike's video illustrates very well a quarter-ball shot.

 

[randyg]

Randy, I'm trying to explain that the way you refer to hits and cuts is totally unlike the way everyone who has written about this before has done it.

A half ball shot has a very clear definition in nearly all of the previous work: in a half-ball shot, the center of the cue ball moves towards the edge of the object ball just as Mike Page illustrated in his video. This is both a half-ball aim and a half-ball hit. That's the way nearly everybody in the cue sport universe has referred to the shot for over 100 years. If you are still confused about that, I suggest you try reading my series on half-ball shots on the On The Break News web site, www.onthebreaknews.com. Click on "Instructional" down towards the bottom and then my link.

What almost everyone calls a quarter-ball shot has both a quarter-ball aim and a quarter-ball hit. It results in a cut not of 45 degrees, as you state above, but rather 48.59 degrees. Mike's video illustrates very well a quarter-ball shot.

Thanks Bob. I think I got this now. A 1/2 ball hit and a 1/2 ball aim are one and the same. A 1/2 ball hit results in around a 30 dregree cut. A half ball aim results are the same.....Thanks, randyg

 

[Patrick Johnson]

Randy:
If a 1/2 ball aim gets us a 30 degree cut. Where do I aim for a 1/2 ball (45 degree) hit?? The same place??

Sorry to butt back in, but as I said in another post, there's no exact "fractional balls" alignment for a 45-degree cut. It's between a half-ball alignment (30 degrees) and a quarter-ball alignment (48+ degrees). That's one of the reasons your proposed definition of "half ball hit = 45 degrees" isn't as useful as the traditional definition.

pj
chgo