Patrick Johnson said:
Patrick,
FYI...Clearly, I am not Hal.
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Patrick,
FYI...Clearly, I am not Hal.
ruk
OK. That bit about the earth being round and pool balls being round too sounded a lot like his numerological ramblings.rukiddingme said:
I can think of lots of spherical things - rabbit droppings and soap bubbles, for instance. Do they all mean something for aiming systems?
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Patrick Johnson said:
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink.
Nuff said.
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ps...you take the center of the rabbit dropping and aim to the edge of the other rabbit dropping and you do that for every single shot and the dropping goes into the hole...every single time.
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Especially if you haven't led him anywhere and there's no water in sight.
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Patrick Johnson said:
Forget about grasping estimating, 'my' meaning would be the one in
Merriam Webster, are you saying that even "perfect"
aim<if there is such a thing> always results in pocketing the ball?
Execution has a bit to do with it, wouldn't you say?
Skill and artistry - What exactly does either have to do with estimating,
or the lack thereof.
Statements like 'all shots have some estimating' indicate you think
no one knows exactly where to hit ANY shot. I suspect you didn't really mean that, did you?
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Yes, I did mean that. The best pro shooting a 1-foot straight in shot is estimating. He may be so good at it that he never misses, but it's estimating regardless. Success doesn't change the nature of aiming.
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If cue balls came with built-in laser pointers showing you exactly where to point the cue ball to make each shot, then there would be no skill or artistry in aiming. Skill and artistry comes in when the shooter must choose the correct aim from among all the possibilities by relying on his experience to make the estimation. No estimating, no artistry.
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Patrick Johnson said:
So you mean to tell me, when there is only part of a pocket visible past another ball and some pro cuts in right in the hole, aiming narrowly past the obstructing ball, with incredable accuracy--he just got lucky by guessing approxamately where he had to hit it?
breakin8 said:
MONEY? I don't think Mr. Houle has ever charged anyone. CJ Wiley has a similar system, I am told and it doesn't look like it is selling like hot cakes right now.
This forum is a medium for people of like-minded spirits to share pool knowledge, pool stories and to socialize with each other.
It seems that too many people want to use the main forum to advertise their business free of charge but when it comes to sharing detailed pool knowledge, they get laryngitis or give teaser answers to legitimate pool questions.
JoeyA
So why not explain it here?
"The closed minded" means everybody with whom you refuse to share this knowledge? Did this "us vs. them" attitude toward teaching come from your BCA Master Instructor training?
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You also wrote:Patrick Johnson said:
Because you didn't tell your kid that all bikes have four wheels; you told him that training wheels were to help him learn to ride with two wheels. He didn't have to unlearn leaning the wrong way on turns after you took the training wheels off because he knew the whole point of using them was to help him learn not to.
I'm guessing that Pro Players who also have the knowledge and practiced of aiming systems don't use them for the vast majority of shots. But I also believe that the more I learn about this game the less I know. That's why this is one of the very best games on this planet. With that said I wouldn't be surprised if we found a pro somewhere that used a system for most shots or maybe even all shots. It certainly happens in 3C with diamond systems.
I'd rather use the term "learning tool" rather than "crutch" describing aiming systems or any system. As a learning tool ie training wheels many of the shots can be learned more quickly and once various shots are Mastered the tool(s) may not be needed, but it's nice to have something to grab if for no other reason as a reference. If you call this unlearning then I think you may have a point.
I just wish I had someone in the beginning to teach me the right way so I didn't have to Unlearn all the wrong stuff on the street.
Aimings easy!!!!! I dont understand why something so simple is made complicated with aiming systems! The only difficult thing when aiming, is adjusting too compensate for the amount of english needed and that becomes easier through playing experience. " No book can teach you feel" I was taught theres a sweet spot on a object ball and if you make the cueball hit that spot, you'll pot it!!!
Its a simple theory: all you do is line up the objectball with the pocket. Imagine that theres a straight line going through the middle of the objectball to the heart of the pocket and use that place on the object ball as your sweetspot! All you have to do then is make the white ball hit that spot!! excute the stroke properly and bingo bango you've made the shot. The hardest thing is it excute the stroke properly if that can be considered hard!!
Hope that Helps
R114
Its a simple theory: all you do is line up the objectball with the pocket. Imagine that theres a straight line going through the middle of the objectball to the heart of the pocket and use that place on the object ball as your sweetspot! All you have to do then is make the white ball hit that spot!! excute the stroke properly and bingo bango you've made the shot. The hardest thing is it excute the stroke properly if that can be considered hard!!
Hope that Helps
R114
So why do you miss?
So far you're describing what everybody already knows.
LOL. That's all? If you had told us this in the first place we could have saved ourselves decades of practice.
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Patrick Johnson said:
Good question. It certainly couldn't be that there's any more involved than aiming...
Eliminate all of that (say, by using a robot to do the actual shooting) and just leave the aiming to yourself. Will you never miss? Can you think of anybody who would never miss?
Aiming is inescapably estimation - beginning with the first thing mentioned here: estimating where the contact point is on the object ball. If I stood at the OB and marked the spot you told me to, I'll bet it would be the wrong spot a fair number of times. How could that be if you *know* the right spot?
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