Alternative tip materials?
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I agree with ABS, I think. It is time for a new tip material given the problems he identified. A chemist / chemical engineer could come up with a material that would allow better consistency, longer life, no mushrooming and a reasonable degree of choices for tip hardness.
Some one in England had a novelty slip on tip that could be used for extreme spin control. Seems that it could have a place in regular games.
I live in an active retirement community and it is next to impossible to change anything. People just seem to get more rigid and rule bound as they age. It is a shame there is not more acceptance in the pool playing world. It is like a bunch of old people.
It makes a great deal of sense to me that there could be screw on tips that could be used for any of several purposes. A fellow in Australia (?) came up with a system that would allow a player to easily change tips for different needs.
We are over due for some serious innovations. And I would think that some money could be made by an enterprising group. Kamui seems to be doing well.
Some one in England had a novelty slip on tip that could be used for extreme spin control. Seems that it could have a place in regular games.
I live in an active retirement community and it is next to impossible to change anything. People just seem to get more rigid and rule bound as they age. It is a shame there is not more acceptance in the pool playing world. It is like a bunch of old people.
It makes a great deal of sense to me that there could be screw on tips that could be used for any of several purposes. A fellow in Australia (?) came up with a system that would allow a player to easily change tips for different needs.
We are over due for some serious innovations. And I would think that some money could be made by an enterprising group. Kamui seems to be doing well.
Respectfully...
Might I respectfully suggest reading a book or two by experts in animal psychology and behavior? Farm animals aren't stupid because they can't do all the crazy things that humans do. They also have feelings, families and friends. These traits are part of nature, and serve animals well.
If I buy my wife dinner before I take her home and beat her, then it's OK?
The vast majority of farm animals do not have a pleasant life before they go to slaughter. Unless you think being chained, caged and castrated is pleasant, of course. In addition, most farm animals are slaughtered having lived only a fraction of their natural life span.
By the way, any honest biologist or nutritionist will tell you that there is no nutritional need for humans that cannot be met without eating animal products. Not to mention that raising animals for food is the most inefficient way to feed people. It takes something like six times the land to feed the average American as it does someone who bases their diet on plant foods. Anyone serious about this subject knows that eating meat and dairy products have been linked to a host of diseases in countless studies for forty years.
The natural order of things? Studies in history and cultural anthropology reveal a very different picture.
But alas, you may be right. My comments are only the result of studying, writing and speaking about this topic since 1976, so what the hell do I know?
Donny L
BCA/ACS Instructor
Gainesville, Fl
Might I respectfully suggest reading a book or two by experts in animal psychology and behavior? Farm animals aren't stupid because they can't do all the crazy things that humans do. They also have feelings, families and friends. These traits are part of nature, and serve animals well.
If I buy my wife dinner before I take her home and beat her, then it's OK?
The vast majority of farm animals do not have a pleasant life before they go to slaughter. Unless you think being chained, caged and castrated is pleasant, of course. In addition, most farm animals are slaughtered having lived only a fraction of their natural life span.
By the way, any honest biologist or nutritionist will tell you that there is no nutritional need for humans that cannot be met without eating animal products. Not to mention that raising animals for food is the most inefficient way to feed people. It takes something like six times the land to feed the average American as it does someone who bases their diet on plant foods. Anyone serious about this subject knows that eating meat and dairy products have been linked to a host of diseases in countless studies for forty years.
The natural order of things? Studies in history and cultural anthropology reveal a very different picture.
But alas, you may be right. My comments are only the result of studying, writing and speaking about this topic since 1976, so what the hell do I know?
Donny L
BCA/ACS Instructor
Gainesville, Fl
Argh, I wrote a detailed response and then closed the browser by accident... Here is the short version...
1) Okay, glad you weren't offended. I got a bit snarky/sarcastic in my response to you, I shouldn't have gotten so defensive
2) I agree that many claim to have issues with their tips, but don't in reality. I tend to be a skeptic as well. However, all the problems I have cited I have come across in my own experience via analytical observation, and have seen others come across as well. Some of the issues are discussed in well known pool books as well.
3) In the grand scheme of things, tip consistency is not a big problem, it's way down on the list. A more consistent tip isn't going to raise my game, and I may rarely if ever miss a ball because the tip I have isn't spot on. But if such a tip does come to market that still plays the way I like, I'll definitely spring $ for it. And like some, I would much prefer to have a tip that didn't come at the expense of an animals life if the option is there.
4) Hello Kitty was just a joke. I was sitting next to player who had a Hello Kitty figure attached to her cue case, hence my comment. Though, given how many Asian women dig Hello Kitty, and now that there are a large number of Asian females who play pool... If the two audiences have any overlap there is my customer base.
Cheers
1) Okay, glad you weren't offended. I got a bit snarky/sarcastic in my response to you, I shouldn't have gotten so defensive
2) I agree that many claim to have issues with their tips, but don't in reality. I tend to be a skeptic as well. However, all the problems I have cited I have come across in my own experience via analytical observation, and have seen others come across as well. Some of the issues are discussed in well known pool books as well.
3) In the grand scheme of things, tip consistency is not a big problem, it's way down on the list. A more consistent tip isn't going to raise my game, and I may rarely if ever miss a ball because the tip I have isn't spot on. But if such a tip does come to market that still plays the way I like, I'll definitely spring $ for it. And like some, I would much prefer to have a tip that didn't come at the expense of an animals life if the option is there.
4) Hello Kitty was just a joke. I was sitting next to player who had a Hello Kitty figure attached to her cue case, hence my comment. Though, given how many Asian women dig Hello Kitty, and now that there are a large number of Asian females who play pool... If the two audiences have any overlap there is my customer base.
Cheers
Not offended in the least. this is a message board, with a lot of different personalities - it is what it is
Look, I play pool every day. If I get a new tip, I put it on, and typically it lasts several years. I just don't see the problems you've touched on here. When I hear people complain a tip is like this or like that, I take with a healthy amount of skepticism. My usual conclusion is operator error, end of story.
You think you could have come up with a better example??? Come back and make this claim after you've actually done a S.W.O.T.
Yeah, I bought some Porper Rams. They come in S M and H.
Basically, I couldn't give them away.
I wonder if there is anyone who opposes the use of leather but doesn't bother to consider how many other house hold products they use may also be a by product.
Quite possibly, there were and still are animals that are used for medical purposes. That testing is used to save peoples lives. I am opposed to animals being mistreated for anything but I'm also not a member of PETA.
Don't like the thought of using leather but have no idea where the exotic wood came from that was used to build their cue.
Double D. The biggest mistake, (or one of them) that was ever made in Yellow Stone Park was to cull the wolves. Leave the wolves alone, they will take care of the rest. Man thinks he can do it better than Mother Nature. And then, history repeats itself.
Basically, I couldn't give them away.
I wonder if there is anyone who opposes the use of leather but doesn't bother to consider how many other house hold products they use may also be a by product.
Quite possibly, there were and still are animals that are used for medical purposes. That testing is used to save peoples lives. I am opposed to animals being mistreated for anything but I'm also not a member of PETA.
Don't like the thought of using leather but have no idea where the exotic wood came from that was used to build their cue.
Double D. The biggest mistake, (or one of them) that was ever made in Yellow Stone Park was to cull the wolves. Leave the wolves alone, they will take care of the rest. Man thinks he can do it better than Mother Nature. And then, history repeats itself.
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Players like wood over metal because they can put a flat spot in it with a stone.Johnnyt
Why does big league baseball still use round bats?:lol:
many of you missed this important post about tip material:
05-08-2011, 03:27 PM
This is top secret so don't spread it around. There's a guy in New York, goes by the name of," Doyle the Moyle." He won't tell anybody what the material is except that it's some kind of animal skin. Last's a coupla years. Doesn't mushroom. Never miscues. Never have to rough it up. Matter of fact it plays better smooth. It's a pinkish color and doesn't need much chalk. Doyle says it's 37 layers but the layers are so thin you can't really count them
Problem is they cost $172.50. But they're worth it. Every time you win a game you'll give that tip a great big kiss.
Tell you what. He probably won't talk to you so just paypal me the $172.50 and I'll take care of it for you. He gives me a 10 percent spiff.
05-08-2011, 03:27 PM
This is top secret so don't spread it around. There's a guy in New York, goes by the name of," Doyle the Moyle." He won't tell anybody what the material is except that it's some kind of animal skin. Last's a coupla years. Doesn't mushroom. Never miscues. Never have to rough it up. Matter of fact it plays better smooth. It's a pinkish color and doesn't need much chalk. Doyle says it's 37 layers but the layers are so thin you can't really count them
Problem is they cost $172.50. But they're worth it. Every time you win a game you'll give that tip a great big kiss.
Tell you what. He probably won't talk to you so just paypal me the $172.50 and I'll take care of it for you. He gives me a 10 percent spiff.