Am I over reacting or is this owner actually an $#!?

1) I'm probably going to be the odd man out here but if people were being charged on those other 7 tables then that means that the people running the tourney didn't pay to use those tables. Should the owner just let everyone play for free that day? He still has a business to run.

2) The owner should have given way to the customer on the mix up on the tables. Then again, pool players in general are liars and cheats so how can you trust anyone? Not saying you are a liar or a cheat just that the bad apples spoil the bunch. I surely wouldn't trust anyone that I didn't know.

3) The owner should have been smacked for not apologizing for holding up the match.

I probably wouldn't be too thrilled over what transpired, if I was in your shoes, but it wouldn't be bothering me 36 hours later.
MULLY
 
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Cmon... why get offended? The "legendary myth" about NYer's being rude has been around years and years and years. It is no secret here. Up until last year I was of this same feeling as my experiences the farther north I went the ruder the attitude I encountered. It was shocking and mind blowing to me how the people I met acted!
That being said I took a trip to Long Island last year to buy 3 Gold Crown pool tables from a pool room going out of business. I took the directions Mapquest gave me and it took me right through Manhatten unfortunitely. Unfortunite because I was driving a long bed pick-up dragging a U-haul straight through downtown NY lol. Felt like the Beverly Hillbillies coming to town! Never the less I asked several people right on the street for directions including the beat cops manning the Queens Midtown Tunnel. Everyone I encountered that day was exceptionally over the top nice and very helpful which in turn was shocking and blew my mind again lol.

Myth broken for me

I felt very much the same except opposite direction. When I moved here (NC) from Ohio I experienced rudeness on a level I just didn't understand. Of course this was solely because I was from up north....a damn Yankee so to speak. Whenever I meet someone talking about northerners being rude I tell them of my experience and then ask them if they have ever been up north. Nine times out of ten the answer is no.

Make no mistakes about it though....after my short breaking in period I love living down south.
 
I felt very much the same except opposite direction. When I moved here (NC) from Ohio I experienced rudeness on a level I just didn't understand. Of course this was solely because I was from up north....a damn Yankee so to speak. Whenever I meet someone talking about northerners being rude I tell them of my experience and then ask them if they have ever been up north. Nine times out of ten the answer is no.

Make no mistakes about it though....after my short breaking in period I love living down south.

It also helps if you are able to start sounding like whatever the locals sound like. Fitting in no matter where you are is always good.

Flex

P.S. Developing an ear for vocal imitation of others doesn't hurt either.
 
It also helps if you are able to start sounding like whatever the locals sound like. Fitting in no matter where you are is always good.

Flex

P.S. Developing an ear for vocal imitation of others doesn't hurt either.

I must have that ear because a lot of people don't know that I am not from NC. LoL we were sitting in the break room and this girl I've worked with for years was sitting there complaining about her northern neighbors and how terrible they were. I egged it on saying things like "they're sooo rude" and "if they don't like it they should just go back where they damn well came from." All the while people are laughing and she finally asks why, which is when I let her know that I am from Ohio. She looked bewildered and a little embarrassed and said "I just never thought of you as a yankee" hahahaha.
 
Back on topic.

I noticed that Paradise Billiards is putting on the J. Pechauer Greater Charlotte Open on May 2nd-3rd. I may be there depending on my work which really sucks right now.

The reason it sucks is because I am no longer working 4 days on and 4 off which worked great for table time. I now work....or should I say I am supposed to work Mon-Wed one week and Mon-Thurs the next. They cut out half the people working there and couldn't foresee us getting backed up. Because of this they let me know when I show up Monday. So far I have yet to work Mon-Wed.....big *bleeping* surprise.
 
The owner needs help or he will be out of business!! if he was smart he would of used all the tables to start so he could rent more out at night.. Pool halls are shuting down everyday its a tough business right now he really needs to be carefull..
 
kind of funny!

Reading this thread the people who are coming to the owners defense might actually be proving the players point, several people have stated that he knows what hes doing because he has ran other pool rooms, my question would be how are those rooms doing now that he ran previously?
 
Reading this thread the people who are coming to the owners defense might actually be proving the players point, several people have stated that he knows what hes doing because he has ran other pool rooms, my question would be how are those rooms doing now that he ran previously?

Well, let's keep things clear here. Arthur Rosen ran a league, not a poolroom. Also, only the owner is responsible for a room's performance and even then, looking at that performance says nothing about the ability to run a business. There are so many factors in play that to summarize it in a few paragraphs would not to justice to the tens of thousands of people that pursue business degrees each and every year.
 
Debated writing this up or not, but now that I've had 36 hours to cool my vents it's still bugging me and I wanted to get some others opinions (and here is a place where I'll get a lot of it!).

This occurred this past Saturday at the GSBT tour event at Paradise Billiards in Charlotte. Before I go any further as I know some people won't read the whole thing, this is in no way a criticism of the GSBT or Shannon/Marge who run it. They put on a fine tournament and I understand the decisions they made because as tour operators they are at the mercy of having owners bring their tour into their rooms (ie. they know you don't s*** where you eat).

Paradise Billiards where the event was hosted is a new room that's been open just over 2 months. I was excited as their website lists them as having 20 Diamond tables. My first disappoint was that they in fact only have 16 Diamonds (and 2 GC V's). Second disappointment was when I learned that they would only be using 10 of the tables for the tournament (I was figuring before hand with 20 tables he'd be giving 15 or 16 of them to the tournament). Third disappointment was that it was over an hour from when they opened at noon until they had a bartender. Come on, people like to drink beer when they play pool. Fourth disappointment was the windows in the place weren't tinted. On a sunny day in Charlotte with cars parked all across the front of the building you get a horrid glare off the car windows. But, these are just my "disappointments" at the place, not enough to have written this about purely...

So, I get there at like 12:10pm or so. Register for the tournament then go up to the front desk and ask about a practice table (which was advertised as free starting at noon). The person looks at the computer and tells me that only the tables in the tournament are free for practice, but they have a couple of "tight" Diamonds I can pay for by the hour. I look around and see there are still a couple of tables with only one person practicing, so I figure I'll go jump in on one of those. As I'm about to turn away the girl at the counter tells me to wait a minute, let her check something. She looks at her computer and tells me "You can use the Brunswick if you want". I tell her "sure" and grab a set of balls and head off to practice.

So, now fast forward about 2 hours. By this time the bartender has shown up and I decide to have a beer at the bar and talk to some friends who were there and to meet some new folks and let the people keep playing on the table. After the calcutta starts the girl from the front desk comes up to me and huffingly says "you're the guy who took table 12, you owe us $7.50". I try to very politely tell her "you told me that was part of the tournament and was free practice". She says "no, you're wrong, go up to the desk and pay." So, I wander up to the front desk and see the owner Arthur Rosen at the desk and think to myself "ok, I'm sure the owner will take care of it". So, head up to the desk and explain exactly what happened. He looks at me and says "I know my staff, they explain everything completely, they don't make mistakes, they made it clear you were paying by the hour!". I explain "If they had made it clear, I would have hopped on another table that only had one person playing that was free." He then not so politely says as he's ringing it up "I'll only charge you $5". I really don't give a damn about the $7.50, what I do have an issue with is feeling like I'm being screwed. I held my tongue as I didn't want this to ruin my day as the tournament hasn't even started yet.

So, I go on, have a few more beers play my first match (which I lose since I'm off...) and then head back to the bar. This is about 4:30 or so. Now fast forward to 8:30. I'm finally up for my 2nd match 4 hours later since there are 70 people in the tournament and we're only on 10 tables. What are the other 8 tables doing? Well one of them (a GC V) has a display on it and the tournament desk is setup next to it. Completely understand that table not in play. The other 7 tables they are renting out by the hour. To their regular clients? Nope. They barely have any regular clients. They are renting out the other 7 tables by the hour for practice. I can understand leaving one or two tables for someone who might come, but with the number of people they were all being paid for by tournament participants, so random people coming in wouldn't get a table anyways. So, this causes the 4 hours between matches. I'm hearing grumbling all around and the hours go by about this. People decide to start heading off to do other things and have their friends call when they are getting close to being up. This then causes some tables to sit there for 15 minutes without a match as they wait for people to show up. So, as I said, 8:30pm finally my 2nd match is up, against Arthur Rosen the owner.

I head to my table, get my cues setup and start bouncing a few balls around. About 10 minutes later I head up to the tournament desk and say "Arthur still hasn't shown up yet". I am then informed that he has headed out to the store to buy more food for the bar (this is the _2nd_ time that day that they have had to go to the store to buy food). I'm informed that they won't DQ him as he's the owner and put up $1,000 added (I understand this from the tour's perspective). Also of note, by this time they are already playing people on the next bracket level. I go back to the table and wait another 15 minutes or so and the owner finally shows up. No apologies for making me wait, no nothing. By this time I've basically sharked myself by getting annoyed and play horrid (my own fault). So I graciously tell him good game (no, I'm not being sarcastic). Pack up my stuff, head to the bar to pay my tab (about $30 or so) and head home.

I check the AZ boards later in the evening to see how some friends are doing and see that they had to cancel the ring game since the bar has to close at 2am sharp and they are still trying to get the matches in on the 10 tables...

Oh, and those two "tight" Diamonds that I could pay to practice on, they were part of the tournament. The same tournament tables that they said were free.

So... Opinions... This is a new room. The owner is trying to get people in the door. Has a tiny base of "regulars".

Q1: Do you charge people in the tournament for practice before hand even if they are using tables not in the tournament (aside from my issue with being told it was free)?

Q2: Do you drag on the tournament to 2am in order to make money by selling practice time to participants on 7 other tables?

Q3: Do you put the room ahead of your tournament play? (ie. If you have to leave to do work for your bar, should you drop out of the tournament if your name gets called before you're back _voluntarily_, which keeps the tournament staff from having to be put in the predicament of having to even think about DQ'ing the owner)


To me, this is an owner being an a$$... Trying to milk every dime out of a person no matter what the consequences in the future. Way to build a customer base! This is also the same guy who told the owner of another room he was "going to put him out of business!" Just what we need... Instead of building a new base of players lets plan on taking out other pool rooms. Just what this sport needs... Rumor is he's even offering to pay the weekly fee's of APA teams for the first session if they move to his room (Rumor, but I've heard it from two different people). I wonder if he's going to charge them $12/hour night rate during league after that... (Most rooms in Charlotte give free table time for league play).

Ok, end of my rant. Flame me if I'm wrong... I honestly want to know what people think. I know there are 3 sides to every story...

Brian
I agree with others here. No way to run a business!

I read somewhere that the richest people are easy to spot. They are rude!

Although with this attitude, my prediction is this owner won't be getting any richer from this Pool Room Profits. Especially if there are NO customers!! JMO

I hope your next tournament venue is a better experience.
 
Attitude

is what makes a business successful, but you are asking why he didn't swim the English Channel when he is just trying to dog paddle. Sounds like he is still in the 'learning curve' as far as his business is concerned. Sounds like he needs to 'plan' better.
 
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