Sorry again, but the shot I see here can be done with high right, and hard. You might be able to do it with follow only, as well. The force of the shot causes the cue ball to hit the ball, then the rail and come back a little and then curve toward the bottom rail. The butt of the cue need not be elevated. Danny
Amazing pool shots from Efren Reyes
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Danny Kuykendal said:
I say you're right although I would say that the cue SHOULD NOT be elevated.
Again to clarify, you can get the cueball to arc like that with any high english. But to get position on the 7 like Efren did, I don't see how that's possible with top right. That's running english. After hitting the 2nd rail, the cueball would take off a little bit and go past the place where Efren's cueball came to a stop.
The cloth of course makes a difference, but on new cloth like they were probably playing on, that makes top right even harder to pull it off.
The shot is not just the arc, it's getting position on the 7 like Efren did.
If you can do it with top right, please put up a video if you don't mind. And please describe the physics that makes top right better than center top or top left.
The cloth of course makes a difference, but on new cloth like they were probably playing on, that makes top right even harder to pull it off.
The shot is not just the arc, it's getting position on the 7 like Efren did.
If you can do it with top right, please put up a video if you don't mind. And please describe the physics that makes top right better than center top or top left.
cuetechasaurus said:
Since we're throwing physics in here can someone also please explain why the speed of light is constant when measured by two observers in different inertial reference frames, even when moving relative to one another and the light source? Thanks.
Poolbum, have you ever considered that the speed of light actually is not a constant, but that is has decreased? I have read much about this and it is very convincing. There is much evidence supporting a decreasing speed of light. Google it and see. sorry for hijacking the thread. Oh and I think he hit the shot with high only. 
arian dacongan said:you can never get the result what reyes did on that shot putting all the tops you'll wanna put on the cue ball....
you have to forced-throw the cue ball with a lot of english to achieve that result.....top will never do that...
some tips: ( for those that does not know this shot--this worth to some a lifetime and would never learn this shot)...did you ever remember in your beginners days where you try to draw the cue ball and hit it on the bottom but instead of the Cb going back it went forward...well, it's the same thing only thing is you are deliberately doing it and applying extreme english- either left or right- whichever effect you're trying to achieve...
...yes you can make the cue ball follow even though you seem to be drawing...
So, you're saying, you can put more topspin (follow) on the cue ball by hitting it low instead of high? If you can, we may need to rethink cue ball control completely. I'm not saying I don't believe you. In fact, I'd love to see this. If you could get a video, that would be great.
I don't think he's saying he can get more english by hitting low, just easier to control the shot and end up there. If I hit that shot with extreme follow as hard as efren hit the ball, it would probably follow the same lines but come to the other side of the table instead of dying by the balls.
There's more than one way to do this shot but I don't agree with cuetech about it being follow left unless it was very little left. With alot of left, the cueball wouldn't have followed up around the ball for shape. It should have hit the rail and either came back straight into the ball or come below it instead of above. With just a little left and alot of follow cuetech would be right IMO because the left hand english would help kill the cueball at the speed Efren hit it. BUT, I don't think you'd need to hit this ball nearly as hard as Efren did with high left.
I understand what Arian is talking about here and I'd think he's right. Judging by the speed Efren hit it, I'd say that's the way he hit the ball.
There's more than one way to do this shot but I don't agree with cuetech about it being follow left unless it was very little left. With alot of left, the cueball wouldn't have followed up around the ball for shape. It should have hit the rail and either came back straight into the ball or come below it instead of above. With just a little left and alot of follow cuetech would be right IMO because the left hand english would help kill the cueball at the speed Efren hit it. BUT, I don't think you'd need to hit this ball nearly as hard as Efren did with high left.
I understand what Arian is talking about here and I'd think he's right. Judging by the speed Efren hit it, I'd say that's the way he hit the ball.
I guess I came in late on this thread and can't comment because I don't know the exact shot everyone's speaking about. There is one in the video where Efren goes two rails and lands in between the 7 and 8, and then the pool table diagram where the six is near the rail.
Danny
Danny
ccshrimper said:
Yes that's right, I don't mean extreme left. I mean maximum top with a little left. It's really tough to get the cueball to arc like that if you use more left than top, or more right than top. It has to be the maximum amount of top you can apply with side spin that only very slightly restricts how high you can strike the cueball with your tip. So basically it's top with a little bit of left.
HOWEVER,
Let me explain the physics of Efren's shot because I think you might have only a very slight misunderstanding of it.
After hitting the object ball, the cueball has a tremendous amount of spin on it. The cueball is sliding when it hits the rail, the spin on it hasn't gripped the cloth yet. The cueball is sliding on a normal tangent line towards the first rail it contacts. After striking the first rail, the cueball is still sliding with a massive amount of spin on it.
So even if the cueball did have extreme top left, it would be impossible for the left english to have any effect on the cueball's initial path after striking the first rail if the cueball is still sliding with that much overspin. The sidespin can't grip the rail because the top overspin hasn't gripped the cloth yet. By the time the cueball strikes the second rail, any sidespin that was on it can take effect because the top overspin has pretty much worn off.
I'm pretty sure that if you have more SIDE spin than top spin on the cueball, then the side would take effect on the first rail, but I don't think you can get the cueball to arc anywhere near as much as you saw in the video clip.
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Danny Kuykendal said:
Here you go
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Appears like a touch of right with extreme high english. I believe his preference would have been to have gone further and clear the cue ball closer to him or even graze the eight on the side nearest to him.
Still a great shot, but he might have preferred to not have to shoot over the eight.
If you look closely it appears like he puts some right on it and a lot of high.
He was probably aware of the cloth being new. Very difficult to do that on old cloth.
Danny
Still a great shot, but he might have preferred to not have to shoot over the eight.
If you look closely it appears like he puts some right on it and a lot of high.
He was probably aware of the cloth being new. Very difficult to do that on old cloth.
Danny
I think Efren hit this shot just like he wanted too. He avoids a kiss on the nine with the extreme force and high english forcing the cueball wide of the nine and the overspin high bends it and slows it. Any other positional route is problematic, and would risk either hitting the 9 or getting hooked behind the eight. I don't believe this shot or the one gopi-1 posted can be made by hitting low on the cueball.
unknownpro
unknownpro
The cueball will pick up some left from the 6 and from the rail. Normally, I would say it would be hit with a little right to be sure it slips on the first rail instead of catching and going too wide. Not to say it couldn't be done with left, just that it depends on the exact angle and cloth and ball conditions what would be best.cuetechasaurus said:
unknownpro
unknownpro said:
I've made this shot a number of times, and I'm just your ordinary banger.
This type of shot is just one of those shots a Filipino shortstop should
make, day in and day out. Try to set up the table like I've set up, were
you can't get position on the next ball (7 ball) by going forward, because
the 8 and the 9 ball will impede the CB's forward path and you will end up
being snookered. Shoot it with low right english, at approximately 4 o'clock
and at full speed, you'll be in for a pleasant surprise.
If you get a chance to meet any Filipino pool players, ask them to show
you how it's done, I'm sure majority of them will be more than happy to
oblige to your request.
The results may vary as it really depends on how sweet or powerful your
stroke is, but with constant practice, you'll get the shape you wanted like
what the 2nd wei table is showing.
gopi-1 said:
Wow! I was skeptical, but I tried it just now. I assume you meant this with an elevated cue, right? I elevated a little bit, and hit with 4 o'clock english, and it worked just as you said.
I think you're basically getting a masse effect that doesn't "catch" until after the cueball hits the cushion.
Personally, I don't think that's what Efren was doing in the video, as his high aim can be seen.
Regardless, the shot you diagrammed is sweet! Thanks!!
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Cuebacca said:Wow! I was skeptical, but I tried it just now. I assume you meant this with an elevated cue, right? I elevated a little bit, and hit with 4 o'clock english, and it worked just as you said.
I think you're basically getting a masse effect that doesn't "catch" until after the cueball hits the cushion.
Cool shot. Thanks!
Glad to be of help!
I forgot to mention the elevated cue as we all know that most Filipinos
doesn't have that snooker stance but rather the "flowery" stroke were the
stroking action is just like watching the waves at sea. My bad...
Neil said:
No reason to hit it that hard or with follow if that wasn't exactly what he was trying to do. Besides, he didn't do the head scratch.