Ambition to get better slowly decreasing - no tourneys available

Same thing here, I am in the Midwest.

Decided to try one out last week to see if I would like it or not. $15 entry fee on barbox, 10 people showed up to play... I made it to the finals from the losers side and before we played I asked the guy if he just wanted to do 1 extended race because it was already close to midnight. He said no it's a true double elimination you have to beat me twice. I'm like bro are you serious? 10 people entered this tourney and we started at 4pm and it's now close to 12am. The winner would only receive $55 dollars.

Nit behavior. He wasn't getting a trophy or anything. Not even a picture taken, no nothing. Anyways I beat him both sets but goddamn. Why would I ever want to put myself through that again lol.
It's nit behavior to not agree to make it easier for you to beat him when you'd lost and he hadn't in a double elimination tournament? Like bro are YOU serious.
 
It's nit behavior to not agree to make it easier for you to beat him when you'd lost and he hadn't in a double elimination tournament? Like bro are YOU serious.
So you've never heard of an extended race in the finals of a double elimination tournament? I was trying to save both of our time, including the TD. The thought of making it easier for myself never even entered my head because it was already stupidly easy.
 
Having a goal to shoot for is what motivates most of us to practice and work to improve.
I have a 7 Ft table in the basement I play everyday I compete against myself, I play straight pool, there is a U-Tuber SSOP who has a game on straight pool, you rack the balls break them take ball in hand and run out, Rack them again again smash break and it goes on like that. Max Erble has pretty much the same game on his web site. The purpose of this is to get people used to running balls not trying to play for the break ball. I find it very useful, it teaches you patterns but when you miss it stinks. I am a older person fixin to be 80 this year and it keeps me active and mentally sharp. I am still trying for a 100 ball run so far 66 is my best.
 
Give us some deets on that kind sir!!
I don't know much about it but that they have had over $250,000 payouts and they are attracting pros and amateurs. The matches are handicapped. I think they have 1 or 2 tournaments a month. The Filler's were there for a women's tournament last weekend. Check out their Facebook page.
 
I agree. I apologize to anyone if I came across as bashing all TD's in general. Some of them have no clue about the game, while some of them are passionate about the game of pool. I wish I had the time to be able to organize and run a tournament. I also wish people were more competitive to push the game beyond it's boundaries. Like I know there are some people that work a 9-5 and can still snap off a weekly tournament, but there are hardly any rewards for such person of that skill level against others of similar caliber.

There are also TD's who work a 9-5 and still find the time and energy to run a tournament late hours into the night. So I definitely respect it. But there needs to be some kind of change. How will we ever win back the Mosconi Cup if this is the direction pool is headed for in America?

Besides Earl Strickland, when will we ever be able to say we've had a champion from USA who's won back to back World 9 Ball titles if all we play on is
It's been a while, are they still using the big cue ball, if so, I'm out.
If they did you would hear a lot more about Matlock
 
Skinny Bobs in Austin has 18 Diamond 9-footers, two 3-cushion 10’ Gabriels, and zero BBs, and they’re doing very well. Busy leagues, busy tournaments.

They used to have a room next door with around 12 Diamond BBs, back when all their 9s were GCs, but they ripped out the wall and got rid of them and the GCs so they could fit 18 Diamond 9s in.
Great place for sure but its a rarity and not the norm in the US. Not that many rooms have enough big-table players to make it the main size.
 
If they did you would hear a lot more about Matlock
The big cue ball is deader than Elvis and has been for at least 25yrs. Dave, Omaha John, Mike Hyland, Gene Cooper and a few others could flat gin it with the big rock.
 
So you've never heard of an extended race in the finals of a double elimination tournament? I was trying to save both of our time, including the TD. The thought of making it easier for myself never even entered my head because it was already stupidly easy.
Sure I've heard of it, but not after a different format is set. Look, for you to ask about it is fine. You could ask the guy to change the competition to BJs if you want. But calling him nitpicky for declining and making you play according to how the rules were set is absurd.
 
Here's my experience: literally every pool hall in my state are only having tournaments for amateurs/beginners/league players, and a majority of them are on 7ft tables, and to top it off, it's 8 ball. And to top it off even more, it's a race to 4 or 5 on the winners side and race to 3 on losers side.

It is very discouraging because there are no opportunities to play with stronger players and test yourself, unless you want to pay $1000 to travel to the US Open and go 2 and out.

What's even more annoying, is whenever they do have a 9 foot table tourney, it's ALWAYS on a friggin weeknight, and starts at 6PM!!! (always some kind of weird handicap attached to it) Not Saturday or Sunday. Are they purposely trying to restrict better players?

Why is American pool heading in this direction? It seems to only favor the Tournament Directors and room.

It's good to get beginners and lower ranked players engaged, but there has to be some kind of balance. It should NOT be this hard to find a normal 9ball tournament played on 9 foot tables. It lowers my drive to want to get better. Like what is the point of increasing my skill level if I'm only going to be playing the same people every Tuesday night 8 ball race to 3.

Certain States like NY, Cali and Florida had tour stops every weekend with the Predator Pro-Am tour and others for their respective states.

Now it's only bar table tourneys with $20 entry fee. Why would I want to leave my house to play pool?

Anyone with a similar experience in their state of residence?
I'm in a BCA league, almost all 7' tables and on week nights starting at 7pm. I have a 9' at home. Competition always improves your game. I don't see the reason for your complaint. The alternative is not competing, so I'm happy to participate in what's available.
 
Sure I've heard of it, but not after a different format is set. Look, for you to ask about it is fine. You could ask the guy to change the competition to BJs if you want. But calling him nitpicky for declining and making you play according to how the rules were set is absurd.
You're a nit for criticizing how/when/where/why I use the word nit. I've seen plenty of tournaments run too late where the format was set in stone that it's a true double elimination finals, and the players still agreed to do one extended race. Obviously this is not the case for professional tournaments.

Your desire to include BJ's into the conversation is absurd. You joined this forum November of last year, I'm not even going to continue this conversation.
 
I'm in a BCA league, almost all 7' tables and on week nights starting at 7pm. I have a 9' at home. Competition always improves your game. I don't see the reason for your complaint. The alternative is not competing, so I'm happy to participate in what's available.
That's a good mindset for sure. I should be thankful for what is available to me, there are probably some states with 0 leagues/0 9ft'ers/0 tournaments.
 
You're a nit for criticizing how/when/where/why I use the word nit.
That's wrong.
I've seen plenty of tournaments run too late where the format was set in stone that it's a true double elimination finals, and the players still agreed to do one extended race. Obviously this is not the case for professional tournaments.
Doesn't change the point.
Your desire to include BJ's into the conversation is absurd.
No duh.
You joined this forum November of last year, I'm not even going to continue this conversation.
Good reason.
 
S. Louisiana, and moist/Most/anywhere ;) in the south, the action was always Up, like the humidity.

Fats when he moved to Dowell IL, got his life lined up with N/S State Hwy 50.
Hwy 50 (before interstates were built) this 2 lane road ran from WI to S. IL, Bensingers/Chicago, Duquoin IL, Janscos/Horse Racing/Big Money on the horses in the south, it was the 40's - 50's the Wild west.
Also known as Cicero Ave in Chicago.
 
I HATE toy tables and handicapped tournaments and much prefer 9 ball over 8 ball. Having lived in the northern DC suburbs for the past 30+ years, this has been the regression I've witnessed in my search for a weekly tournament within driving distance on 9 ft. tables.

1994-early 2000's: Thursday night 9 ball tournament at Champions in Rockville. Race to 7 single elimination. Anywhere from 8 to about 30 players would show up. Ended when the ownership changed. Max Eberle, Danny Green, Brian McDonnell (Cuddy), and Scotty Boggs used to show up in stretches for months at a time.

Early to late 2000's: Weeknight 9 ball tournament at Orange Ball in Rockville, started out race to 7 single elimination, moved to race to 5 on the winners side and race to 4 on the losers' side. This was the best weekly DC area local tournament I've ever been involved with, with regular participants including Mike Davis, Brandon Shuff, Keith McCready, Manny Chau, Scott Tollefson, Brian Deska, Ryan McCreesh and the occasional road player like Leonardo Andam. Closed around 2010 when the owner was caught selling booze to minors.

Late 2000's - early 2010's. Big Daddy's in Glen Burnie was the next hope, with IIRC 9 ball races to 5 / winners and 4 / losers. Brett Stottlemyer was everyone's Great White Whale, but without a liquor license the Molinaros were finally forced to sell. It's now Brews 'n' Cues, and apparently quite successful, but as it's got nothing but toy tables their tournaments are a non-starter for me. (I understand the reasons for the bar boxes, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.)

Finally from the early 2000's to now, there's Triple Nines on U. S. 1 in Elkridge, closer to Baltimore than to DC, with Saturday night tournaments and 8 ball races to 3 / winners and 9 ball races to 3 / losers. The equipment's inconsistent, but the organizers and the players are all so much fun to be around that I can put aside my hatred of 8 ball and just enjoy being there. Jimmy Varias (Jimboy) is the only 700 Fargo player, but there are enough others who probably are in the 600's to make it worthwhile from a competition POV. My wife goes out there with me about once a year and takes pictures of all the players in action, which I later print and give to them as proof to their wives that they weren't slipping around on them.

But to put this all in perspective, and I'm sure this isn't news to many of you here, back when I started playing pool the Washington area had close to 50 pool rooms, nearly all 9 ft. only, and in at least half a dozen of them (Jack 'n' Jill, Guys & Dolls, Bladensburg Golden Cue, Jimmy's Golden Q, Roman Billiards and Randolph Hills), you could always find action and plenty of top level players.

Not hard to tell I'm pushing 80, is it? :cool: But it sure as hell beats the alternative.
 
I HATE toy tables and handicapped tournaments and much prefer 9 ball over 8 ball. Having lived in the northern DC suburbs for the past 30+ years, this has been the regression I've witnessed in my search for a weekly tournament within driving distance on 9 ft. tables.

1994-early 2000's: Thursday night 9 ball tournament at Champions in Rockville. Race to 7 single elimination. Anywhere from 8 to about 30 players would show up. Ended when the ownership changed. Max Eberle, Danny Green, Brian McDonnell (Cuddy), and Scotty Boggs used to show up in stretches for months at a time.

Early to late 2000's: Weeknight 9 ball tournament at Orange Ball in Rockville, started out race to 7 single elimination, moved to race to 5 on the winners side and race to 4 on the losers' side. This was the best weekly DC area local tournament I've ever been involved with, with regular participants including Mike Davis, Brandon Shuff, Keith McCready, Manny Chau, Scott Tollefson, Brian Deska, Ryan McCreesh and the occasional road player like Leonardo Andam. Closed around 2010 when the owner was caught selling booze to minors.

Late 2000's - early 2010's. Big Daddy's in Glen Burnie was the next hope, with IIRC 9 ball races to 5 / winners and 4 / losers. Brett Stottlemyer was everyone's Great White Whale, but without a liquor license the Molinaros were finally forced to sell. It's now Brews 'n' Cues, and apparently quite successful, but as it's got nothing but toy tables their tournaments are a non-starter for me. (I understand the reasons for the bar boxes, but that doesn't mean I have to like it.)

Finally from the early 2000's to now, there's Triple Nines on U. S. 1 in Elkridge, closer to Baltimore than to DC, with Saturday night tournaments and 8 ball races to 3 / winners and 9 ball races to 3 / losers. The equipment's inconsistent, but the organizers and the players are all so much fun to be around that I can put aside my hatred of 8 ball and just enjoy being there. Jimmy Varias (Jimboy) is the only 700 Fargo player, but there are enough others who probably are in the 600's to make it worthwhile from a competition POV. My wife goes out there with me about once a year and takes pictures of all the players in action, which I later print and give to them as proof to their wives that they weren't slipping around on them.

But to put this all in perspective, and I'm sure this isn't news to many of you here, back when I started playing pool the Washington area had close to 50 pool rooms, nearly all 9 ft. only, and in at least half a dozen of them (Jack 'n' Jill, Guys & Dolls, Bladensburg Golden Cue, Jimmy's Golden Q, Roman Billiards and Randolph Hills), you could always find action and plenty of top level players.

Not hard to tell I'm pushing 80, is it? :cool: But it sure as hell beats the alternative.
You didn't even cross over into VA...in the DC metro area, you could find a weeknight tournament pretty much every night of the week.

Kept me from getting a real job for years.
 
You didn't even cross over into VA...in the DC metro area, you could find a weeknight tournament pretty much every night of the week.

Kept me from getting a real job for years.
Except when you live in Montgomery County, the drive to NVA in the rush hour can only be described with a string of expletives. I used to play in Danny Green's Shark Club tournaments in Springfield, but those were on a Sunday. Same with the Planet Pool regional tournaments that were always on weekends, and neither of these tournaments have been around for over a decade.

Back when I lived in D.C. I'd often drive out to Jack 'n' Jill's, Tops, or Westmont, but that was in an era of all gambling and few tournaments. Right now Triple Nines is the only room left with 9 ft. tables and weekly tournaments that's easy to access from where I am.
 
I agree. I apologize to anyone if I came across as bashing all TD's in general. Some of them have no clue about the game, while some of them are passionate about the game of pool. I wish I had the time to be able to organize and run a tournament. I also wish people were more competitive to push the game beyond it's boundaries. Like I know there are some people that work a 9-5 and can still snap off a weekly tournament, but there are hardly any rewards for such person of that skill level against others of similar caliber.

There are also TD's who work a 9-5 and still find the time and energy to run a tournament late hours into the night. So I definitely respect it. But there needs to be some kind of change. How will we ever win back the Mosconi Cup if this is the direction pool is headed for in America?

Besides Earl Strickland, when will we ever be able to say we've had a champion from USA who's won back to back World 9 Ball titles if all we play on is barboxes?
Well maybe we can win the World Bar Box Championship, if there is not one invent it, seems to me there are a lot of world titles floating around.
 
Except when you live in Montgomery County, the drive to NVA in the rush hour can only be described with a string of expletives. I used to play in Danny Green's Shark Club tournaments in Springfield, but those were on a Sunday. Same with the Planet Pool regional tournaments that were always on weekends, and neither of these tournaments have been around for over a decade.

Back when I lived in D.C. I'd often drive out to Jack 'n' Jill's, Tops, or Westmont, but that was in an era of all gambling and few tournaments. Right now Triple Nines is the only room left with 9 ft. tables and weekly tournaments that's easy to access from where I am.
Sure... planet pool would be 20+yrs old though now, gotta be.
Danny's events were in merrifield...and I am pretty sure he took me to your house long ago, oddly enough.
I also worked at Westmont for many years and like Lee's USA and the glen bhrnie jack/jills, rooms of a different era that are definitely missed.
 
That's a good mindset for sure. I should be thankful for what is available to me, there are probably some states with 0 leagues/0 9ft'ers/0 tournaments.
Even if there WAS a state that had ZERO leagues(nirvanna !!)/9fts(sacrilege)/tournaments i'm sure if you moved there you'd start another thread whining about it. ;) I 'edited-in' the smiley face just to lighten the butthurt feeling i'm sure the guy has by now. If all these good players exist in his area he's gonna have to get things going and stop whining.
 
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