American Pool vs Snooker

vjmehra said:
Yes...sort of...referees have warned players for slow play before, but I'm not sure there is a clear definition of what constitutes slow play, I believe its purely down to the discretion of the referee.
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I think that is a fair rule. Some take longer than others naturally and some players are just out of line.
 
vjmehra said:
Thank you for illustrating my point.

Again to re-iterate I'm not saying one game is easier to win than the other, merely that the fundamentals of potting balls on a 12 x 6 ft table are different (and harder, again physics) to potting balls on a 9 x 4.5 ft table.
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Nobody in their right mind would take the other side in that debate. Everybody understands (or at least thinks they do) how hard it is to pot balls on a snooker table. I was just pointing out that there is more to the game of pool than just potting balls and just because it's harder to score a point in snooker than it is to score one in pool does not necessarily make the game of snooker more difficult. Otherwise, we could say that it is harder to score a point in 3 cushion than it is in snooker, therefore 3 cushion is the more difficult game. It's not that simple.

Having said that, when comparing pool players and snooker players I think it's fair to say that snooker players are better overall cueists. I think it's quite obvious that snooker players have had far greater success when crossing over and playing pool than pool players have when crossing over and trying their hand at snooker. There really hasn't been a single instance of a pool player finding success in a professional snooker tournament. At least not that I'm aware of. I really don't quite understand why pool players get so offended over this. I always thought that if snooker players just took a bit of time during their developing years to figure out how to break the balls they would be in better position to play pool, but I suppose this would probably be sacrilege to many of them.

On a side note, it's also interesting to note how much more strict the cueing fundamentals have become in the past twenty years in snooker. When you watch some of matches from the 80's some of those snooker players look like pool players of today, especially Alex Higgins. This is pretty much gone now. All of them have text book fundamentals. Pool hasn't really undergone this renaissance yet, but I suspect as the tables get tighter and tighter and if pro pool ever really gets off the ground you will see more snooker like cueing amongst the professionals. They may be forced to change in a kicking and screaming fashion but they will change, or they will be left behind.

What was this thread about again???
 
MapleMan said:
Is there a rule in place for a player's tempo? I am not asking for a shot clock in pool. I would prefer what they do to pitchers in baseball. There is an unwritten rule of about 25 sec. between pitches. I think players should be warned and then punished for slow play.

For example: Jimmy has a straight in shot at close quarters. He chalks, bends over, practice strokes and then stands and chalks. That's a warning. If he does it again its a loss of the rack or BIH for his opponent. I see guys chalk for an extended period of time only to stand and chalk again.
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Referees have the authority to ask a player to play their shot. I don't think I can remember a time when they have.
 
One reason might be that there arent as many sports over there that there are in the US. We have basketball,baseball, football, soccer, Bowling ,Tennis,Golf....lots of things to compete with pool. They also have some of these things,but the big three for us arent that popular over there. Would you give up football for billiards, most people wouldnt, even tho we probably would. I say we need to get some notoriety with some big celebraties, get people like Micheal Jordan involved in pool, or some of the other high profile retired celebs involved. We need more Collegiate or even Local press to let people know about what goes on. I remember the local paper in my town posting the results of our weekly in house league in with the other sports scores, and i had people that didnt play pool ask me if my team was still leading in the pool league, it helped us get exposure. Just a thought or two.
 
Bob Dixon said:
He missed it the same distance TWICE, "terrible snooker player".

And for sakujack: it is just a two rail kick. Adding three feet to the distance doesn't change the angle. I played about eight games of 10-ball a few hours ago (against a world champion trick shot artist, by the way) and did 3, or maybe 4, successful two rail kicks, on one of which I pocketed a ball in a called pocket, and one successful 3 rail kick. When you play someone like that and they applaud you for your kick shots, let me know.
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lol

This just became the thread where Bob Dixon compared himself favourably to Stephen Hendry.
 
Bob Dixon said:
LOL. You are so lopsided you are funny. Your every argument is reduced to the one part of the elephant you are looking at.
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I have no idea what you are talking about!

But my point still stands...any half decent player can run a rack of 9-Ball on a good day...only the best of the best can clear a snooker table.
 
Bob Dixon said:
I didn't misunderstand the intent. I knew exactly what he was trying to do. He missed by a lot both times. I'm not going to bother looking at it closer but it seems he should have tried something else from the start. Maybe he didn't want to try one of those simple, snooker-type rollup safeties because he was afraid he wouldn't be able to land right and would sell out.
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Yes there was more options but it involved negative safety shots, Hendry was always
more of a attacking player and i think he was trying more of a attacking safety!

If you know what i mean

I suppose his final choice in going for the pot instead of a dump shot proves that point.

just curious what is your preferred game?
 
Bob Dixon said:
Wow. I consider 9-ball junk. Slop 9-ball and win, slop any ball and keep shooting. Yuck. Now the pool players get after me.
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A fair point, but I like the fact that its exciting and fast paced.

Snooker can be fast paced too, but often isn't (that's not to say the quality isn't good) and the safety battles can be great to watch sometimes!

I guess it comes down to personal choice, I like to watch both, but maybe I prefer 9-Ball slightly as I can relate to it more, or maybe its because the games are shorter and I don't have a long attention span, who knows!
 
Originally Posted by Pathetic Shark View Post
I think Appleton is a better example than Ronnie. That appleton went from playing English 8 ball, with a 1.75" CB, to be a monster at 9 ball, with a 2.25" CB, in a relatively short time, speaks absolute volumes for how quickly a good cueist can pick up 9 ball.

Snooker, much less so.
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Bob Dixon said:
Great job illustrating how to stand on one false premise to leap to another false premise.
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Would you care to explain what you mean?
 
Bob Dixon said:
Interesting comments from someone who had to admit he's a "terrible snooker player" when he got called out by 'JAM'. LOL.

Honestly, I think the truth is that you do not only not play pool, I believe you don't play snooker at all, either. You're similar to the housewives who bet a little cookie jar savings on Ronnie and watch the games. You are simply a troll who spends a good deal of his life declaring how sub-standard America is in EVERYTHING. More than anything you seem to have a case of terminally debilitating jealousy.
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Such hostility. Where is the love, Bob?
 
pool vs snooker , pool vs snooker vs carom :smile:

to find a solution to this mystery, the russian invented a pacifier , it's called "pyramid" . russian pyramid.

damn, try the "combined dynamic" game, if you can found a table in your area . You'll see why it's a pacifier :) . Not snooker, not pool, not carom . and f...g hard.

i know, i know, off topic :) . i couldn't resist ;)
 
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Bob Dixon said:
It seemed like an easy safety off the red by the right cushion.

I play 10-ball. I like 1-Pocket but don't play it now. American Rotation looks interesting.
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Yes I probably would have played a dump shot on that red and try to leave the cue ball on the top cushion in a league match.

I did once play a couple of racks of 10 ball when I was in your country on a 9ft diamond table, interesting how different the game feels to 9 ball.

I was playing straight pool with my son when I was approached by a guy, who
wanted to play for money, little did he know how tight with money a snooker league
player is. So we just had a couple of friendly racks. His play was very impressive
and told me that he had practiced for 10 hours a day for the last ten years and recently beat Earl Strickland 7- 4. He played with a cue that had a thin shaft
much like a snooker cue.
 
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