An open note to Predator regarding REVO availability

RakRunr

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The current situation regarding the lack of availability of REVO shafts reminds me of Nintendo's 2016 release of the NES Classic. Production outpaced demand to an extreme amount such that the devices simply weren't available. This led to excessively high secondary market prices - the few people who had managed to acquire them were selling this $60 device for up to $500 dollars. Similarly, a quick ebay search reveals that the $499 REVO shaft is selling for $650-700. Not yet at the NES level of gouging, but significantly higher than retail, especially considering that there are still many detractors who claim the price is already too high.

Nintendo suffered an extensive public backlash for the incident, primarily for their lack of explanation or engagement with their customers. Those customers, older gamers buying the system for nostalgic reasons, often elected to boycott the product and the company. I personally fell into this category and will never again give Nintendo one red cent. I am concerned about the negative effect this situation is having on the Predator customer base. I've been a dedicated Predator customer for years, and while I am not yet ready to boycott Predator, at some point it will happen if the situation is not resolved.

Being more open with the customers would go a long way towards mitigating the ill effects of this situation. What is causing the lack of availability? If production is at a complete standstill, what is causing that? What is being done to rectify the situation? If something is being produced, then there should be *some* availability somewhere, even if it was trickling out month by month. If you are applying all production to new full cue orders only, then you are doing your existing customers a huge disservice. I'm not going to buy a $1400 cue to obtain a $500 shaft when I already have several Predator butts. I get that this isn't a simple matter of "turning up the spigot", but if you want your customers to stay your customers, you have to let us know that the faucet is at least running.

And it isn't just the retail consumer who is apparently in the dark: calls to suppliers indicate that they have no idea what is going on or when the stock may be available. I've been quoted everything from November to March, and according to other posts on this site some people have already been waiting for months. When your customers don't know what is happening, and your retailers don't know what is happening, that's a dangerous situation, especially considering that your monopoly on the market is about to disappear.

The best rule of business I've ever heard was "never get in the way of customers trying to give you money", but it seems you are doing exactly that. You have created a product that people want, and at an unprecedented price point: it is a true shame to see you effectively squandering this opportunity and your customers' good will.
 
Call your area Ford dealer, ask about buying a '19 Bullitt Mustang. They're out there..with dealers asking $5K or more "price adjustments"...the old supply & demand thing.

Give it time. Dealers of these cars will then be asking sticker price. Give it more time, there will be discounts.

I predict the same will happen with these black shafts.

That said, is it okay if I keep playing with my sold maple shaft? I really like it's hit and feedback.
 
The current situation regarding the lack of availability of REVO shafts reminds me of Nintendo's 2016 release of the NES Classic. Production outpaced demand to an extreme amount such that the devices simply weren't available. This led to excessively high secondary market prices - the few people who had managed to acquire them were selling this $60 device for up to $500 dollars. Similarly, a quick ebay search reveals that the $499 REVO shaft is selling for $650-700. Not yet at the NES level of gouging, but significantly higher than retail, especially considering that there are still many detractors who claim the price is already too high.

Nintendo suffered an extensive public backlash for the incident, primarily for their lack of explanation or engagement with their customers. Those customers, older gamers buying the system for nostalgic reasons, often elected to boycott the product and the company. I personally fell into this category and will never again give Nintendo one red cent. I am concerned about the negative effect this situation is having on the Predator customer base. I've been a dedicated Predator customer for years, and while I am not yet ready to boycott Predator, at some point it will happen if the situation is not resolved.

Being more open with the customers would go a long way towards mitigating the ill effects of this situation. What is causing the lack of availability? If production is at a complete standstill, what is causing that? What is being done to rectify the situation? If something is being produced, then there should be *some* availability somewhere, even if it was trickling out month by month. If you are applying all production to new full cue orders only, then you are doing your existing customers a huge disservice. I'm not going to buy a $1400 cue to obtain a $500 shaft when I already have several Predator butts. I get that this isn't a simple matter of "turning up the spigot", but if you want your customers to stay your customers, you have to let us know that the faucet is at least running.

And it isn't just the retail consumer who is apparently in the dark: calls to suppliers indicate that they have no idea what is going on or when the stock may be available. I've been quoted everything from November to March, and according to other posts on this site some people have already been waiting for months. When your customers don't know what is happening, and your retailers don't know what is happening, that's a dangerous situation, especially considering that your monopoly on the market is about to disappear.

The best rule of business I've ever heard was "never get in the way of customers trying to give you money", but it seems you are doing exactly that. You have created a product that people want, and at an unprecedented price point: it is a true shame to see you effectively squandering this opportunity and your customers' good will.

Why are you writing notes to Predator here? Do you not have their contact info?
 
Call your area Ford dealer, ask about buying a '19 Bullitt Mustang. They're out there..with dealers asking $5K or more "price adjustments"...the old supply & demand thing.

Give it time. Dealers of these cars will then be asking sticker price. Give it more time, there will be discounts.

I predict the same will happen with these black shafts.

That said, is it okay if I keep playing with my sold maple shaft? I really like it's hit and feedback.

I'm sure you are 100% correct regarding the supply, and maybe I'm overstating the potential impact on customer loyalty. I believe I am correct that any such impact could be lessened if the company were more communicative.

As for your shaft, I'll echo what I said in another thread: play with what you like and don't over think it :smile:
 
I feel bad for those who want it..Forget about it ...its not going to make or break your game..
 
The purpose of an open note is to engage others in the conversation. If people agree, disagree, or have other information to share, they are encouraged to add to the thread. If I sent a letter to Predator, assuming they'd even read it or give it the time of day, none of that would happen.
 
I feel bad for those who want it..Forget about it ...its not going to make or break your game..

I agree, the shaft is not some magic pill that is going to somehow turn me into a great player, but that isn't the point. I (and many others) want one and inexplicably can't buy one.
 
I agree, the shaft is not some magic pill that is going to somehow turn me into a great player, but that isn't the point. I (and many others) want one and inexplicably can't buy one.

I understand and can respect that...
Regards...
 
Just switch channels and get the new Cuetec carbon shaft.

Certainly an option and exactly one of the points I was trying to make: Predator no longer has the monopoly on CF-LD shafts. The ability for Cuetec and others to eat into Predator's market share is going to be greatly enhanced by Predator's inability to bring supply to market.
 
Unfortunately, your lack of understanding supply/ demand dynamics casts significant doubt upon your position.
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The current situation regarding the lack of availability of REVO shafts reminds me of Nintendo's 2016 release of the NES Classic. Production outpaced demand to an extreme amount such that the devices simply weren't available. This led to excessively high secondary market prices - the few people who had managed to acquire them were selling this $60 device for up to $500 dollars. Similarly, a quick ebay search reveals that the $499 REVO shaft is selling for $650-700. Not yet at the NES level of gouging, but significantly higher than retail, especially considering that there are still many detractors who claim the price is already too high.

Nintendo suffered an extensive public backlash for the incident, primarily for their lack of explanation or engagement with their customers. Those customers, older gamers buying the system for nostalgic reasons, often elected to boycott the product and the company. I personally fell into this category and will never again give Nintendo one red cent. I am concerned about the negative effect this situation is having on the Predator customer base. I've been a dedicated Predator customer for years, and while I am not yet ready to boycott Predator, at some point it will happen if the situation is not resolved.

Being more open with the customers would go a long way towards mitigating the ill effects of this situation. What is causing the lack of availability? If production is at a complete standstill, what is causing that? What is being done to rectify the situation? If something is being produced, then there should be *some* availability somewhere, even if it was trickling out month by month. If you are applying all production to new full cue orders only, then you are doing your existing customers a huge disservice. I'm not going to buy a $1400 cue to obtain a $500 shaft when I already have several Predator butts. I get that this isn't a simple matter of "turning up the spigot", but if you want your customers to stay your customers, you have to let us know that the faucet is at least running.

And it isn't just the retail consumer who is apparently in the dark: calls to suppliers indicate that they have no idea what is going on or when the stock may be available. I've been quoted everything from November to March, and according to other posts on this site some people have already been waiting for months. When your customers don't know what is happening, and your retailers don't know what is happening, that's a dangerous situation, especially considering that your monopoly on the market is about to disappear.

The best rule of business I've ever heard was "never get in the way of customers trying to give you money", but it seems you are doing exactly that. You have created a product that people want, and at an unprecedented price point: it is a true shame to see you effectively squandering this opportunity and your customers' good will.
 
release of the NES Classic. Production outpaced demand to an extreme amount such that the devices simply weren't available. This led to excessively high secondary market prices -

I'm sure you meant demand outpaced production.

Anyway, I agree with what you're saying. I wanted one about 3 months ago and ended up buying one at a premium on the secondary market. If I would have been unable to find one I would have been frustrated and if Cuetec offered an alternative I might have purchased that one instead. I'm sure this will happen with others and Predator will be losing a significant amount of business.
 
Anyway, I agree with what you're saying. I wanted one about 3 months ago and ended up buying one at a premium on the secondary market. If I would have been unable to find one I would have been frustrated and if Cuetec offered an alternative I might have purchased that one instead. I'm sure this will happen with others and Predator will be losing a significant amount of business.[/QUOTE]

I'm also confident Predator already knows this and is probably doing everything they can to fix the situation. However, to your point, If I those people had more information about when they could expect to be able to purchase one, they might be more willing to wait rather than try the competitor.
 
Anyway, I agree with what you're saying. I wanted one about 3 months ago and ended up buying one at a premium on the secondary market. If I would have been unable to find one I would have been frustrated and if Cuetec offered an alternative I might have purchased that one instead. I'm sure this will happen with others and Predator will be losing a significant amount of business.

And I'm sure you meant "If I would NOT have been able to find one..." :smile:

I agree, I'm sure they are well aware of the issue. Ultimately, all I'm really suggesting is that they be more communicative about the issue. Customers will forgive a lot if they know what's going on.
 
Jesus, people...

"I'm also confident Predator already knows this and is probably doing everything they can to fix the situation."

Seriously?

Stop being so gullible. Predator is likely sitting on supply until early November, then all of a sudden, it will magically be in stock everywhere in time to buy for Christmas. But only about 80% of the demand will be met, to keep justifying the inflated price.

This is just pure marketing BS. And you are playing right into their hands by getting your panties all atwitter about not being able to buy it RIGHT NOW.

This sort of stupid commercialism, "gimmee gimme gimme" is what allows companies to charge $1000.00 for a cell phone.
 
i wanted to get the revo last month. I got to play with the demo shaft and loved it but 6 months wait list. is too long a wait and the resale market is selling higher than the RRP.

i ended up getting a new vantage shaft and an predator butt extension.

i'll still get one revo shaft eventually in future when the supply is more stablized but i do not think predator will lower the price still.
 
And I'm sure you meant "If I would NOT have been able to find one..." :smile:

I agree, I'm sure they are well aware of the issue. Ultimately, all I'm really suggesting is that they be more communicative about the issue. Customers will forgive a lot if they know what's going on.

Unable = not able!
 
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