Another 8-ball Lovefest

Cornerman

Cornerman

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Another one for the archives. My hapless opponent has solids and has just scratched. I am stripes. What's the shot?

Just to clarify, the 13-ball DOES NOT ticky past the 11-ball.
The 10-ball and 8-ball are frozen pointed directly at the pocket lower right pocket.
This is a bar; the balls are filthy.


http://CueTable.com/B/?@3AaMg4HbRU4JbRn4KYfQ4LSJx4MRlf@

I would paste the table here, but the AZ software doesn't show the Cuetable Bar Table. Someone needs to take care of that.

For those unfamiliar, simply click on the link above. DO NOT COPY AND PASTE IT INTO CUETABLE/P. If you don't view this layout as a bartable in Cuetable/B, you can't appreciate how subtle this shot was

Fred <~~~ and lost, of course
 
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Cornerman said:
Another one for the archives. My hapless opponent has solids and has just scratched. I am stripes. What's the shot?

Just to clarify, the 13-ball DOES NOT ticky past the 11-ball.
The 10-ball and 8-ball are frozen pointed directly at the pocket lower right pocket.
This is a bar; the balls are filthy.


http://CueTable.com/B/?@3AaMg4HbRU4JbRn4KYfQ4LSJx4MRlf@

I would paste the table here, but the AZ software doesn't show the Cuetable Bar Table. Someone needs to take care of that.

Fred <~~~ and lost, of course
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This would be the shot I would take immediately.

no hesitation as I called "safety"

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Cornerman said:
And the next shot with ball in hand?



BTW, don't do the WEI BBS bracketing, because it shows the 9' table. The shot doesn't have the same impact unless it's the small table.

Fred
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I anticipate with the next ball in hand I'd be busting out the 10 and 8 by shooting the 11 because my opponent not having any balls to shoot at would probably not break them out for me.

No clue about the wei bartable
 
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supergreenman said:
I anticipate with the next ball in hand I'd be busting out the 10 and 8 by shooting the 11 because my opponent not having any balls to shoot at would probably not break them out for me.
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Not really available. Check the Cuetable Bar Table. http://cuetable.com/B/

No clue about the wei bartable
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Just click the link! The link has the "B" for bartable. Don't copy and paste the link into Cuetable. Don't use the Wei brackets here. Just paste the code. It's that simple (and that flexible).

Fred
 
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I would pot the 11, rolling slightly forward with the cueball, then play safe breaking up the the 10 and 8 softly.
My goal would be to not leave the 8 on for the corner pocket, rolling it up the rail 8-10" and leaving the cueball behind the 13 and 12.

gr. Dave
 
I am just a lowly banger but I would probably shoot the 12-11 combo with draw for shape on the 13. The idea would be to break out the 10 with the 12. It is hard to get the feel for spacing on a Wei but as it is layed out that is the way I would play it.
 
I like SGM's approach. Things are looking pretty good from there.

Here's another idea: --> Click <--

You could also do a combo, 12-11, hit it sort of firm and let the 12 bump into the 10 so that the 8 moves up the rail. I'd try to set up for the 13 in case the 12 and 10 get tied up and need to get nudged again. :(
 
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12 in the side follow it up. Break out the 10 with the 11 and its connect the dots from there. all balls in the same pocket.


If the 12 goes.
 
Ktown D said:
I am just a lowly banger but I would probably shoot the 12-11 combo with draw for shape on the 13. The idea would be to break out the 10 with the 12. It is hard to get the feel for spacing on a Wei but as it is layed out that is the way I would play it.
Neil said:
That's what I would do. It should leave an easy out. All balls in the corner.
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This was my thought process as well. In fact, all these other suggestions, I can't help but think that this is yet another case of Cuetable shooting. Unless everyone else who responded really has a knack of putting the cueball < 1" away from the object ball and hitting the shot with good control from the seat. I can't. More power to everyone else who probably would have won instead of lost like I did.

So, Neil and Dan, I wonder if you two would have come out different? I shot the 12-11 combo drawing slightly back for the 13-ball. I hit the 10-ball knowing that I wouldn't send the 8-ball into the corner because of throw. It seemed such an elegant little shot.

Unfortunately, as it is with me, the 12-ball kissed back from the 10-ball, hit my cueball perfectly on a line, and the cueball rolled mercilessly into the 1-ball and followed it happily into the pocket. So, in one felled swoop, what I thought was a beautiful sweep ended up pocketing his hanger, breaking out the 8-ball, and giving him ball in hand. Life sucks. Drink prices were raised as well.

Something like this.

http://CueTable.com/B/?@3AaMg4HbRT4...fdGv4gSJw4gWjC4gXwv4gOax4kHIA4kOaw3kWrc3kdnj@

Fred <~~~ onto the next mishap
 
Fred, can I get the cueball inbetween the rail and the 11 ? If so, why wouldn't I bump the 11 into the 10 with a stop ball (really just centerball at this distance) and break out the 8 at the same time, leaving the 8 ball blocked and on the rail somewhere and making my opponent get lucky with a full table kick and a side pocket bank, if he gets that far. I like the 13 ball idea, too. My best would be to pocket the 11 with the 12 and bust up the 10/8, drawing my ball out to pocket the 13 with an angle up table to grab the 12, 10 and then the 8.

tim
 
Cornerman said:
This was my thought process as well. In fact, all these other suggestions, I can't help but think that this is yet another case of Cuetable shooting. Unless everyone else who responded really has a knack of putting the cueball < 1" away from the object ball and hitting the shot with good control from the seat. I can't. More power to everyone else who probably would have won instead of lost like I did.

So, Neil and Dan, I wonder if you two would have come out different? I shot the 12-11 combo drawing slightly back for the 13-ball. I hit the 10-ball knowing that I wouldn't send the 8-ball into the corner because of throw. It seemed such an elegant little shot.

Unfortunately, as it is with me, the 12-ball kissed back from the 10-ball, hit my cueball perfectly on a line, and the cueball rolled mercilessly into the 1-ball and followed it happily into the pocket. So, in one felled swoop, what I thought was a beautiful sweep ended up pocketing his hanger, breaking out the 8-ball, and giving him ball in hand. Life sucks. Drink prices were raised as well.

Something like this.

http://CueTable.com/B/?@3AaMg4HbRT4...fdGv4gSJw4gWjC4gXwv4gOax4kHIA4kOaw3kWrc3kdnj@

Fred <~~~ onto the next mishap
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You always try to factor the "occasional bad roll" into the plan but sometimes it just jumps up and bites you in the ass.

Fred, you are planning on goin to the Open aren't you?
 
Cornerman said:
This was my thought process as well. In fact, all these other suggestions, I can't help but think that this is yet another case of Cuetable shooting. Unless everyone else who responded really has a knack of putting the cueball < 1" away from the object ball and hitting the shot with good control from the seat.
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Well, I should have clarified that I'd try it while standing. Doing all that from a seat would be showboating. :grin-square:
 
Great story Fred. Thanks for sharing. Sometimes, they just don't roll your way.

I'm a bit of a latecomer to the "lovefest" as you called it, but I would have been real tempted to call "safe" and play the 11 into the corner, rolling forward behind the 12 and 13. Then assuming a second ball in hand, you could play your shot on the 12 with position on the 13 (off the 10, knowing the 8 will get thrown into the rail like you said).

That's what I'd try to do... no guarantees I'd come out any better than you did, though.
 
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Shoot the 12 and make the 1 ball, leaving the 12 in front of the pocket.

Hold the cue there leaving him a half ball hit on the 8 that goes nowhere, and nowhere where he can play safe.
 
Ktown D said:
You always try to factor the "occasional bad roll" into the plan but sometimes it just jumps up and bites you in the ass.
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Yeah, I think anyone who plays 8-ball much would have played a similar shot. I mean, with ball in hand and a good shot to sweep the 8-ball out and play position on a ball... "who doesn't shoot this (or similar) shot?" is more likely the question.

In retrospect, I could have cut the 12-ball into the 11-ball (and subsequently break out the 8-ball) and slid down to the foot cushion for the 13-ball rather than setting up straight. Silly me.

Fred, you are planning on goin to the Open aren't you?
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I'm trying, D. Maybe the final weekend like I've done previously. I might need a floor to crash on.

Fred
 
Cornerman said:
I'm trying, D. Maybe the final weekend like I've done previously. I might need a floor to crash on.

Fred
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You got it buddy. I am going up on Wednesday and mi hotel es su hotel (or something like that). I am staying right by the Convention center.


Hope you make it down.
 
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