another dumb ???? from CueJunkiee

[CueJunkiee]

allright-so here it goes...
i used to always play APA league to hang around for fun... drink- party- flirt with girls... show off a little which i thought i had good skills and mostly ended seasons in 60-70% as a 4... this was the APA league for me... now i'm 5 bordering 6-barboxes still baffle me sometimes-see other thread<G>- still finish 70%, been to best of best couple times, placed top 10, been to open 3-4-5 tourney's, placed top ten..end season in my 'region' total players in top 10 past 3 sessions, been to a couple 'open' apa tourney's-didn't do so hot-.. all in past year or so... got serious about pool.. i know apa well, now please talk to me about 'A' -- 'B' -- 'C' player ratings... what/how is this judged... is there 'official' rankings as such like apa 3-7?? Who judges? Couple big wheels at my poolhall talk the a-b-c- thing all the time but too embarrassed i guess to ask... they'll point to someone and say -- he's a b minus or blah-blah...
please help a pool dummy
Murf
p.s.
someone before sent out the gambling gargon links--- thanks--- now atleast i know what else the pool hall dudes are talking about....

 

[Jaden]

I don't play APA but I have an idea....

Ok well from what I understand it pretty much(aside from the sandbagging) can be broken down like this.....

A+ = 9 or Super nine A = 8 or 9 A-, B+ = 6-8 B=4-6 C= 3-5 D= 1 or 2.

There will always be some overlapping when exchanging rates and A-A+ can cover quite a wide range......

This should be pretty close to accurate.

 

[Egg McDogit]

I think 7 is the highest ranking in my area. it depends on your region, but mine works like this:

7 - typically C+ to B-...some B's to B+'s
6 - C to C+
5 - C- to C
4 and below - D

allright-so here it goes...
i used to always play APA league to hang around for fun... drink- party- flirt with girls... show off a little which i thought i had good skills and mostly ended seasons in 60-70% as a 4... this was the APA league for me... now i'm 5 bordering 6-barboxes still baffle me sometimes-see other thread<G>- still finish 70%, been to best of best couple times, placed top 10, been to open 3-4-5 tourney's, placed top ten..end season in my 'region' total players in top 10 past 3 sessions, been to a couple 'open' apa tourney's-didn't do so hot-.. all in past year or so... got serious about pool.. i know apa well, now please talk to me about 'A' -- 'B' -- 'C' player ratings... what/how is this judged... is there 'official' rankings as such like apa 3-7?? Who judges? Couple big wheels at my poolhall talk the a-b-c- thing all the time but too embarrassed i guess to ask... they'll point to someone and say -- he's a b minus or blah-blah...
please help a pool dummy
Murf
p.s.
someone before sent out the gambling gargon links--- thanks--- now atleast i know what else the pool hall dudes are talking about....

 

[Runtboy]

There seems to be a pretty large discrepancy between Jaden's take on rating and Egg's especially if you look at the lower end. Does this mean that there really is no standard when it comes to the ratings? I've had the same question as CueJunkiee.

 

[Zims Rack]

Personally, IMO...
You can't use APA, BCA, or VNEA handicaps to rate in the A,B,C,D system. The above mentioned leagues have a large opportunity and desire to sandbag, therefore RARELY getting a true rating of a player.
What I do for the Gateway Amateur 9-Ball Tour is find base-line players for each level. For example, our tour does not allow any A and above level players play. So I found the very high B+ to low A- borderline player. There are a couple players that are very well known in the St. Louis area that sometimes are rated A- and sometimes a B+. Those are my baseline A players! Then I do the same for a B and C level player, even though the B's and C's play each other, I still have a base line player.

Just my Opinion,
Zim

 

[Tbeaux]

I don't play league at all but I've wondered about this. Having been on the forums and read posts on the subject it seems in diferent locales/organizations you have different methods of rating players. Sometimes you'll find a group who've worked out a general way to convert some ratings but it's all subjective. To really know for certain you would have to qualify a rating in several groups, then the question becomes is it the same for region-to-region or even pool hall to pool hall.

Terry

EDIT: oh...forgot to mention you also have to take into account the sandbagger factor allowed in some ratings.

 

[Rich R.]

I think 7 is the highest ranking in my area. it depends on your region, but mine works like this:

7 - typically C+ to B-...some B's to B+'s
6 - C to C+
5 - C- to C
4 and below - D

The highest APA rankings have nothing to do with your region. In the APA 8 ball leagues, the rankings range from a 2 to a 7. In 9-ball, the rankings go from 1 to 9. These are national rankings.

Also, don't sell all APA players short. Once you get to the top ranking, in your APA league, the sky is the limit on your skill.
In your example above, you say that an APA 7 is a C+ to B- player.
I have seen an APA 7 who enters open tournaments and beats pro players on a regular basis. I would consider him much better than C+ to B-.

 

[cuenut]

APA 9-ball ranked 9s, I would consider B or above players, as alluded to earlier the sky is the limit until they get kicked out because they are considered pros. I don't know how they decide that, however. 7s in 8-ball would be at least a C player and could go higher as explained above.

I think the ranking also varies by geographics, as in some smaller cities and towns, what they see as a champion may not even hit the top 100 in a large city, but they don't know better. If you go to a large city like Houston, Chicago, etc. I think their perception of an A player is pretty consistent. An A player is capable, on a given day, or placing in the money in a large tournament featuring several pros.

 

[ScottW]

Different ranking systems are like apples and oranges... especially when you throw the human factor in as well.

From what I can tell, though, Jaden is probably as close as you can reliably get as far as the comparisons go, from my (compared to many of you) limited experience.

I've recently had the opportunity to play APA league outside my normal area - I've been back home, where my family all lives, for the past two months, and joined up on a team formed by a fellow (who also played league elsewhere). It's been interesting comparing the two, and the level of the players vs. their listed handicaps.

I know there's going to be variances around the country - there has to be - as one player's handicap is determined pretty much based on his/her performance against the other players he/she competes against - what if the overall level of play in one area is simply higher than elsewhere? Then you'll end up with two people with the same handicap, who obviously are not at the same skill. But that weakness in the system doesn't really show up 'til you get to the national level, where Team X's players of a given handicap go up against Team Y's players of the same handicaps, and one of those team's players simply are better, point-for-point, than the other team's - perhaps even a full handicap point's worth difference. In a sense, unintentional sandbagging is built into the system.

 

[CueJunkiee]

so there is no 'official' ranking of this a-b-c, it's all subjective in people and to areas? so a' s and above should be right up to pro level type playing? b-should be able to enter an ametuer open type thing and do well?

As far as i read into this too, apa is much lower on the skill level <i would include their best of best, open, regional singles etc type tournaments> then most tournaments and things??
i play 8ball by the way....

it's really not a big thing i just want to understand it.... i guess it will become bigger after i eventually become a '7' and then want to progress from there?

 

[boradriver]

so there is no 'official' ranking of this a-b-c, it's all subjective in people and to areas? so a' s and above should be right up to pro level type playing? b-should be able to enter an ametuer open type thing and do well?

As far as i read into this too, apa is much lower on the skill level <i would include their best of best, open, regional singles etc type tournaments> then most tournaments and things??
i play 8ball by the way....

it's really not a big thing i just want to understand it.... i guess it will become bigger after i eventually become a '7' and then want to progress from there?

Murf where do you play out of?
Bora