Another ethics thread!

This is a scenario that happened to me once in a local tourney. Fortunately I caught myself before fouling.

Playing 8ball where if your opponent scratches on the break, its ball in hand behind the line. Any other time, it's ball in hand anywhere. I don't play much 8ball but I knew the rule going into the match.

I'm playing a much stronger opponent and he scratched on the break. I set the cueball down in a spot that is not behind the line because the rule, even though I know it, is not something that comes natural to me. I set the ball down, get down on the shot, take a few practice strokes then suddenly remember the rule and look at my opponent and said "that's behind the line right?" and he just nodded.

So he was going to let me foul. In this specific scenario, would you tell your opponent, or just let them foul?

He may have just not considered you a threat and was just going to ignore it. I've done that many times on a double hit foul because I knew they couldn't win anyway and I didn't want to deal the explanation of the foul.
 
He may have just not considered you a threat and was just going to ignore it. I've done that many times on a double hit foul because I knew they couldn't win anyway and I didn't want to deal the explanation of the foul.
The problem then is when you meet them later and it is important and they do the same thing and they say, "Well, I shot that shot last week and it was OK."
 
The problem then is when you meet them later and it is important and they do the same thing and they say, "Well, I shot that shot last week and it was OK."

I understand Bob but I've gotten so tired of trying to make people who can't play understand the double hit foul when they constantly swear they don't hit it twice. And I've gotten old and grumpy and don't feel like fooling with them. I'm going to leave it up to someone else.
 
https://www.billiards.com/article/official-bca-general-rules-of-pocket-billiards

9. CUE BALL IN HAND BEHIND THE HEAD STRING. ... If a player positions the cue ball completely and obviously outside the kitchen and shoots the cue ball, it is a foul, if called by the opponent or referee.
https://wpapool.com/rules-of-play/


6.10 Bad Cue Ball Placement

When the cue ball is in hand and restricted to the area behind the head string, it is a foul to play the cue ball from on or below the head string.

Seems pretty clear to me...

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look at my opponent and said "that's behind the line right?" and he just nodded.

So he was going to let me foul. In this specific scenario,

Or, maybe he could have cared less other than you asking about it.

I have often let the "lesser player" (aka "contributors") play on after fouling. It is a matter of seeing what they will have to do next. I am always thankful that they now have a hopeless shot at a bad cluster of balls and will break them up for me!

It is a bit of a gamble but a calculated one.

Nobody baby sat me in my first few tournaments around 1981. They crushed me at every opportunity! It was like playing pool with the Klingons!! I learned a lot form it and never whined or cried. Just kept at it to learn more about the rules and how to play better. I wanted to be a part of it all. I can remember a dozen screw ups from back then like it was yesterday, who and where and all. Was it all worth it? Yes!!!

I guess you could say the BCA rule doesn't spell out the fact that it's a foul, just that it's illegal - is there a difference?
No, no difference. If it is illegal and there is no consequence at all for it then what is the point of declaring it illegal? I think common sense applies and it is a foul.

You could have a rule such as they have in chess where once you have removed your hand from the cue ball it is set for the shot and cannot be moved again. Then the foul could be called before the actual shot is made. That might be a bit much though for most players.
 
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I'll always tell my opponent if I see he's about to shoot at the wrong ball, even though when I've shot at the wrong ball (I have glaucoma, with limited peripheral vision) my opponents don't always tell me until I've completed the shot. No big deal not to give a warning, but it still seems kind of nitty. Losing a pool match isn't the end of the world.

The absolute worst example of technicalities being invoked was in the U.S. Open a few years back, when Shannon Daulton had just made the nine ball, and grabbed the cue ball just as it was about to stop, not even close to being on a line to scratch. Karl Boyes then called a foul, got ball in hand, and wound up winning the match. You can say "a rule is a rule", but it's as if Daulton got 6 months in jail for spitting on the sidewalk.
 
I don't think there is anything unethical about letting an opponent foul even if you see it coming. That said, I usually will tell them before they shoot. That's just me being friendly, though, not me being ethical.
 
No one wants to take responsibility for thier own actions any more. Why even have the rule. Lol

If I’m at say Apa leagues and it’s a new player or low ranking player sure I’ll remind him if your a 7/9 like me then. You should know better . I’m taking the foul. On the reverse side of that if you call it on me when I do it I would never be upset at you .. I’ll be upset at myself for forgetting. Because I do take responsibility for my own actions .
 
In tournaments, I pretty much let people do whatever they want... It's just not worth the energy.

The people I gamble with, for the most part, respect themselves, their opponents, and the game enough to do the right thing.

Leagues are leagues: I don't play in them, but I know the mentality of many of the players and I know what to expect when I play them.
 
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