Another question for the English gurus.

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sparkle84

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I'm beginning to think I need to stay off the internet. Down at the library again, can't pass up the free internet you know. Maybe I'm just unlucky but I keep coming across these little tidbits that cause me to start questioning things I thought I knew about pool.

So today's dilemma concerns parallel vs pivot english. A world renowned instructor ( great singer also, btw) said that with parallel english the center of the cue tip hits the CB but with pivot english the edge of the tip hits the CB.

I read that and it kinda just knocked me for a loop. How could I be so wrong. I was under the impression that because the tip is somewhat rounded and the CB is a sphere then if you hit it off center (however) then a part of the edge of the tip has to contact the CB.

At first I thought well maybe he's wrong but I quickly came to my senses. You just can't question this guy's assertions. I mean he's been on TV and everything.

So that's where I'm at right now and I'm frazzled. The worst part is that I get very agitated because it upsets me when I'm wrong and lately the librarian has been looking at me a little strangely. If I get thrown out I'll have no where to go for internet.

Oh well, I might be better off.
 
Dear God. The blind are still leading the deaf (and dumb).

There's only two dozen threads here, Spackle, where people moan at me because I advocate all kinds of tip edge moves. The tip tapper is for your cue, not your forehead, try that.

10 will get me 6 the problem is you keep hitting the cue ball with the rubbery black end of the stick.

You say "library", I say "part of your daily hour out in the yard, with fellow inmates". Library, my foot!
 
BasementDweller said:
I thought I was the only one still using the library for the internet. I thought I saw the name "Sparkle" on the sign-in sheet. I can't believe they only give us 15 minutes.
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How about it? Sparkle got two things right on the post you've replied to!

" . . . world renowned instructor ( great singer also, btw)"

Luckily, we have video proving one of those assertions, although you disagree, BD:



 
BilliardsAbout said:
How about it? Sparkle got two things right on the post you've replied to!

" . . . world renowned instructor ( great singer also, btw)"

Luckily, we have video proving one of those assertions, although you disagree, BD:



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You're like a child with your constant need of affirmation. Here it goes for the 2nd time: You're video here is both creative and humorous, and you sing well. I was actually impressed. You're clearly not without some talent. The problem is you are reminding me less of James Bond and more of Tom Ripley, so I'll just keep my distance.

Adios.
 
BasementDweller said:
You're like a child with your constant need of affirmation. Here it goes for the 2nd time: You're video here is both creative and humorous, and you sing well. I was actually impressed. You're clearly not without some talent. The problem is you are reminding me less of James Bond and more of Tom Ripley, so I'll just keep my distance.

Adios.
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Well, at least you didn't say what you said last week, nasty comments about my marriage, my wife and children!

And I see you've changed from calling me a liar and a narcissist to calling me Tom Ripley, a liar and a murderer.

I'm not a liar and you clearly did not listen to my video where I address this specific issue. Remember? You knew via your psychic powers that I'm not a vocal music coach and you knew I'm a liar. So check out the lyrics, we have 74 people who've enjoyed the music video in just a few days:



 
sparkle84 said:
I'm beginning to think I need to stay off the internet. Down at the library again, can't pass up the free internet you know. Maybe I'm just unlucky but I keep coming across these little tidbits that cause me to start questioning things I thought I knew about pool.

So today's dilemma concerns parallel vs pivot english. A world renowned instructor ( great singer also, btw) said that with parallel english the center of the cue tip hits the CB but with pivot english the edge of the tip hits the CB.

I read that and it kinda just knocked me for a loop. How could I be so wrong. I was under the impression that because the tip is somewhat rounded and the CB is a sphere then if you hit it off center (however) then a part of the edge of the tip has to contact the CB.

At first I thought well maybe he's wrong but I quickly came to my senses. You just can't question this guy's assertions. I mean he's been on TV and everything.

So that's where I'm at right now and I'm frazzled. The worst part is that I get very agitated because it upsets me when I'm wrong and lately the librarian has been looking at me a little strangely. If I get thrown out I'll have no where to go for internet.

Oh well, I might be better off.
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BilliardsAbout said:
How about it? Sparkle got two things right on the post you've replied to!

" . . . world renowned instructor ( great singer also, btw)"

Luckily, we have video proving one of those assertions, although you disagree, BD:



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www.liveabout.com

Top 10 Mistakes Made Using Pool English

Putting pool english on a ball is a difficult move. Here are 10 of the most common mistakes and how you can avoid them when putting spin on the object ball.
www.liveabout.com www.liveabout.com

"For example, when striking with parallel left english, the center of my cue tip effects impact with the cue ball. If you hit left pivot english instead, the right edge only of the tip hits the cue ball, and often, squirts the cue to the right, cutting the object ball left."

#6 on the linked article. Authored by Matt Sherman.
Seems I got that right also. You however, got it wrong. The above quoted text is patently false.

From my Ist post for the english gurus.

" English mistake #8 is striking upon by accident the mysterious sidespin phenomenon called “backwards english”. If a dash of twisting movement is applied with your cue stick very late during a left english stroke, so that it feels as if you are moving the cue tip left after it first strikes the cue ball, the ball can take on the effects of the english opposite the side you strike it on."

Above is from the article. Your post from yesterday bears no resemblance to the above.

Don't shoot the messenger. All I do is point the way to your own words. If those words end up hanging you that's your problem.





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sparkle84 said:
" English mistake #8 is striking upon by accident the mysterious sidespin phenomenon called “backwards english”. If a dash of twisting movement is applied with your cue stick very late during a left english stroke, so that it feels as if you are moving the cue tip left after it first strikes the cue ball, the ball can take on the effects of the english opposite the side you strike it on."
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Huh?!?
 
sparkle84 said:
www.liveabout.com

Top 10 Mistakes Made Using Pool English

Putting pool english on a ball is a difficult move. Here are 10 of the most common mistakes and how you can avoid them when putting spin on the object ball.
www.liveabout.com www.liveabout.com

"For example, when striking with parallel left english, the center of my cue tip effects impact with the cue ball. If you hit left pivot english instead, the right edge only of the tip hits the cue ball, and often, squirts the cue to the right, cutting the object ball left."

#6 on the linked article. Authored by Matt Sherman.
Seems I got that right also. You however, got it wrong. The above quoted text is patently false.

From my Ist post for the english gurus.

" English mistake #8 is striking upon by accident the mysterious sidespin phenomenon called “backwards english”. If a dash of twisting movement is applied with your cue stick very late during a left english stroke, so that it feels as if you are moving the cue tip left after it first strikes the cue ball, the ball can take on the effects of the english opposite the side you strike it on."

Above is from the article. Your post from yesterday bears no resemblance to the above.

Don't shoot the messenger. All I do is point the way to your own words. If those words end up hanging you that's your problem.





Sports











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Congratulations, Sprinkles! You are finally doing something wonderful for your game, reading some of my hundreds of wonderful pool instruction articles online and in pool publications!

It's the way you're doing so, however, that reminds me of the woman who visited the butcher shop. She sniffs under the wing of a chicken out for sale, then prods and sniffs around the other wing, then begins to prod and sniff around the anus. The butcher finally exclaims,

"Lady, could you pass the same test?!"

In this case, I'm the butcher, you're the woman clutching her handbag.

You are correct on the top sentence, it should say "side" or "edge" not center. You are incorrect on the second sentence, again the cue ball's initial path is always affected by the direction the cue stick is moving. Would a diagram help?

So! You've likely read five dozen of my articles and corrected me on one word. Yet only very rarely does the butcher correct you on your obnoxious attitude, atrocious spelling and grammar, or utter lack of reading comprehension. You are a mean and nasty person. Change your ways.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
Congratulations, Sprinkles! You are finally doing something wonderful for your game, reading some of my hundreds of wonderful pool instruction articles online and in pool publications!

It's the way you're doing so, however, that reminds me of the woman who visited the butcher shop. She sniffs under the wing of a chicken out for sale, then prods and sniffs around the other wing, then begins to prod and sniff around the anus. The butcher finally exclaims,

"Lady, could you pass the same test?!"

In this case, I'm the butcher, you're the woman clutching her handbag.

You are correct on the top sentence, it should say "side" or "edge" not center. You are incorrect on the second sentence, again the cue ball's initial path is always affected by the direction the cue stick is moving. Would a diagram help?

So! You've likely read five dozen of my articles and corrected me on one word. Yet only very rarely does the butcher correct you on your obnoxious attitude, atrocious spelling and grammar, or utter lack of reading comprehension. You are a mean and nasty person. Change your ways.
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"For example, when striking with parallel left english, the center of my cue tip effects impact with the cue ball. If you hit left pivot english instead, the right edge only of the tip hits the cue ball, and often, squirts the cue to the right, cutting the object ball left."
You are making a comparison. Taken as a whole your statement is incorrect.

"You are correct on the top sentence, it should say "side" or "edge" not center. You are incorrect on the second sentence, again the cue ball's initial path is always affected by the direction the cue stick is moving. Would a diagram help?"
The part in bold above is also incorrect.

And when can we expect your correction/explanation of your below statement which is also incorrect.

" English mistake #8 is striking upon by accident the mysterious sidespin phenomenon called “backwards english”. If a dash of twisting movement is applied with your cue stick very late during a left english stroke, so that it feels as if you are moving the cue tip left after it first strikes the cue ball, the ball can take on the effects of the english opposite the side you strike it on."

Hope you had a nice weekend, your friend, Sprinkles
 
sparkle84 said:
"For example, when striking with parallel left english, the center of my cue tip effects impact with the cue ball. If you hit left pivot english instead, the right edge only of the tip hits the cue ball, and often, squirts the cue to the right, cutting the object ball left."
You are making a comparison. Taken as a whole your statement is incorrect.

"You are correct on the top sentence, it should say "side" or "edge" not center. You are incorrect on the second sentence, again the cue ball's initial path is always affected by the direction the cue stick is moving. Would a diagram help?"
The part in bold above is also incorrect.

And when can we expect your correction/explanation of your below statement which is also incorrect.

" English mistake #8 is striking upon by accident the mysterious sidespin phenomenon called “backwards english”. If a dash of twisting movement is applied with your cue stick very late during a left english stroke, so that it feels as if you are moving the cue tip left after it first strikes the cue ball, the ball can take on the effects of the english opposite the side you strike it on."

Hope you had a nice weekend, your friend, Sprinkles
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Hey there Spackle,

So a diagram (and perhaps adderall) would indeed help you!

"again the cue ball's initial path is always affected by the direction the cue stick is moving"

Isn't it so?

Line up a cue ball straight into the corner pocket, seven feet away, stroke it into the corner pocket by striking through X, the center c.b. contact point for the cue stick. Set up the cue ball again, strike X again, but this time, using a straight stroke with the cue pointed two diamonds to the left of the center pocket. Does the cue ball sink in the same corner pocket?

I've prior addressed your other masterful objections to my work.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
"again the cue ball's initial path is always affected by the direction the cue stick is moving"

Isn't it so?
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Unfortunately you are incorrect again. As usual you left out some important information. Seems to be a common theme in your world class teaching. Call a friend, PJ could probably help you out if you ask nicely.
 
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BilliardsAbout said:
I've prior addressed your other masterful objections to my work.
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" English mistake #8 is striking upon by accident the mysterious sidespin phenomenon called “backwards english”. If a dash of twisting movement is applied with your cue stick very late during a left english stroke, so that it feels as if you are moving the cue tip left after it first strikes the cue ball, the ball can take on the effects of the english opposite the side you strike it on."

Well, I, Doug and many others are still waiting on the "backwards english". You know, that mysterious sidespin phenomenen that sometimes applied accidentally. Your article doesn't say anything about it being a circus shot. I guess you forgot a few words, huh?
 
sparkle84 said:
" English mistake #8 is striking upon by accident the mysterious sidespin phenomenon called “backwards english”. If a dash of twisting movement is applied with your cue stick very late during a left english stroke, so that it feels as if you are moving the cue tip left after it first strikes the cue ball, the ball can take on the effects of the english opposite the side you strike it on."

Well, I, Doug and many others are still waiting on the "backwards english". You know, that mysterious sidespin phenomenen that sometimes applied accidentally. Your article doesn't say anything about it being a circus shot. I guess you forgot a few words, huh?
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Oh Spackle,

Already addressed several times on several threads.

Yawn.

AGAIN, any time you'd me to setup a Zoom we can debate ANY topic of pool, live. Of course, since I'm a real person and I suspect you are Fran Crimi's Poe . . . you will decline.
 
BilliardsAbout said:
Oh Spackle,

Already addressed several times on several threads.

Yawn.

AGAIN, any time you'd me to setup a Zoom we can debate ANY topic of pool, live. Of course, since I'm a real person and I suspect you are Fran Crimi's Poe . . . you will decline.
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Thats very disrespectful to fran .
 
Patrick Johnson said:
...any time but here and now, of course.

lol

pj
chgo
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There's nothing to debate Spackle about unless he chooses a real topic. I posted "center of tip" instead of "edge of tip".

If you want to debate, let's setup a Zoom for others to watch, both of us can shoot some sample layouts at our local hall and then debate live so you can see we are relying upon memory and not Google.
 
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