Aaron_S said:
its easy to consistently run well spread 9 ball racks???
not a demanding enough game???
i keep re-reading this, and it keeps saying the same thing. this is certainly news to me, and probably many professionals..........
DCP
Another Typical Hosed Runout
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its easy to consistently run well spread 9 ball racks???
not a demanding enough game???
i keep re-reading this, and it keeps saying the same thing. this is certainly news to me, and probably many professionals..........
DCP
just to clarify a couple of important points regarding this layout:
1) the shot on the 2-Ball was very thin. perhaps the table layout doesnt show this accurately. i felt i almost had to spin the 2-Ball in. hitting this with low would have basically turned the cue ball lose.
2) the 3-Ball was on the left side of the side pocket, and you had to get pretty close to the 7-Ball to have the proper cut on the 3-Ball that would prevent you from hitting it too hard. and again, turning the cue ball loose.
not sure everybody understands these two things. my apologies for not making it clear. in retrospect, i would play this shot the same way 100% of the time.......only hit it slightly easier next time.
and all things considered, i still disagree. i missed my position by 2-3 inches. i am just not sure those that have other shot ideas realize the true complexity of the table layout. hope i have explained it better.
DCP
1) the shot on the 2-Ball was very thin. perhaps the table layout doesnt show this accurately. i felt i almost had to spin the 2-Ball in. hitting this with low would have basically turned the cue ball lose.
2) the 3-Ball was on the left side of the side pocket, and you had to get pretty close to the 7-Ball to have the proper cut on the 3-Ball that would prevent you from hitting it too hard. and again, turning the cue ball loose.
not sure everybody understands these two things. my apologies for not making it clear. in retrospect, i would play this shot the same way 100% of the time.......only hit it slightly easier next time.
and all things considered, i still disagree. i missed my position by 2-3 inches. i am just not sure those that have other shot ideas realize the true complexity of the table layout. hope i have explained it better.
DCP
Maybe it was tougher than it looks, then. No need to beat yerself up, in that case.
But from what I see on the screen, I'd still say the 2 doesn't need spinning and position from around the 6 would be fine ... but if the 3 was in fact a thinner cut, it would be trickier, of course. If you're a bit closer to the 6 than the 7, you could still hit the 3 with some inside to keep your position on the 4, going gently off the bottom rail, right?
But from what I see on the screen, I'd still say the 2 doesn't need spinning and position from around the 6 would be fine ... but if the 3 was in fact a thinner cut, it would be trickier, of course. If you're a bit closer to the 6 than the 7, you could still hit the 3 with some inside to keep your position on the 4, going gently off the bottom rail, right?
DCP,DrCue'sProtege said:not sure everybody understands these two things. my apologies for not making it clear. in retrospect, i would play this shot the same way 100% of the time.......only hit it slightly easier next time.
and all things considered, i still disagree. i missed my position by 2-3 inches. i am just not sure those that have other shot ideas realize the true complexity of the table layout. hope i have explained it better.
DCP
We've made quite a few comments and suggestions on what you could have done. Have you tried out any of the suggestions we've made? What were the results?
DrCue'sProtege said:
If you have to thin-cut the 2 then you will need a lot of spin with a soft draw to get the cue ball close to the 7. At the same time you need to hit it with enough speed so the the 2 will go into the pocket. It seems to be very hard to me.
Given the situation as described I'd says maybe just aim to have the cue ball going towards side pocket using more of center ball. In the worst case you will bump into the 6 or the 5 (as shown in page 2 and 3). You will just have to find a way to go from 3 to 4 later or even prepare for playing a safety. Just my .02
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And this is why you will still create these whining threads. You dont take the advice that you are "asking" for. Technically you arn't really asking for adivce, you just want to whine about screwing up another run out. I really thought we were done with these threads for a little while.DrCue'sProtege said:
Fact is you had a huge window for position and you overshot it. Get over it.
In all of the threads I've seen from DCP, I've seen no indication that he has tried any suggestions that anyone has made.Icon of Sin said:
The way to improve your game is to learn from your mistakes and to practice the shots that you missed until you get it right.
You are 100 percent correct. Instead of trying any of it, he just disagrees and that is why he continues to botch runouts and hook himself behind balls that put him in the worst position possible.PoolSharkAllen said:In all of the threads I've seen from DCP, I've seen no indication that he has tried any suggestions that anyone has made.
The way to improve your game is to learn from your mistakes and to practice the shots that you missed until you get it right.
Dont ask for help if you arn't going to try any of it. I think he just likes whining about his failures, especially since he keeps desputing peoples advice rather then trying it.
I tend to agree with you guys. I guess sometimes people can't be convinced their way is better even though they asked for help.
I can see the complexity of the shot. Its a fairly thin cut on the 2.
I'll say this one more time. If you just cut in the 2 the angle takes the c/b towards the opposite side pocket. It travels on a line that still gives you a good shot even if it is hit a bit to hard. With right it shortens up that angle a little, (not much) and you still have a good shot.
The shot on the three as with any other shot is still a little touchy but easily manageable. The bottom line is you have a decent shot.
DCP, your angle using left is headed well below the opposite side pocket. Yes you will have less angle your way hit perfect but you run the risk of being hooked. Your choice but if speed is off a little your hooked. Your not hooked the other way. Playing percentages is a big factor in this game. Every player has to consider their options based on their level of play. If you don't, well you see what can happen.
Your not dead yet though. Get out the jumper. LOL
Rod
I can see the complexity of the shot. Its a fairly thin cut on the 2.
I'll say this one more time. If you just cut in the 2 the angle takes the c/b towards the opposite side pocket. It travels on a line that still gives you a good shot even if it is hit a bit to hard. With right it shortens up that angle a little, (not much) and you still have a good shot.
The shot on the three as with any other shot is still a little touchy but easily manageable. The bottom line is you have a decent shot.
DCP, your angle using left is headed well below the opposite side pocket. Yes you will have less angle your way hit perfect but you run the risk of being hooked. Your choice but if speed is off a little your hooked. Your not hooked the other way. Playing percentages is a big factor in this game. Every player has to consider their options based on their level of play. If you don't, well you see what can happen.
Your not dead yet though. Get out the jumper. LOL
Rod
Looking at the table that was diagrammed, don't believe that either soft spinning with left, drawing the cue ball to come inside the seven, or just straight follow to the middle of the table is necessarily the right shot. The way I look at it, if the cut on the two ball is too thin to make drawing the ball a realistic option, then its also too thin to realistically hold the ball to the middle of the table using a one-rail route. In addition, I believe that the position zone in the middle of the table is too small. Trying to get full runs a high risk of getting hooked, and landing near the six ball is to thin. There isn't much room between the three and the rail, so there's no time for draw to take and hold it on the long side of the four ball. I think the way to go is with straight follow, going two rails towards the nine-ball.
If you get in the vicinity of position B as I have diagrammed, however, you have two viable options for getting on the four. The side pocket is so big from there that you can cut the ball to your right and slide down the rail with bottom left, or you can draw straight back to the short side of the four. In either case, your position zone on the three seems to be much wider taking the two rail across the table route, and the speed is much easier to control.
Just MHO.
If you get in the vicinity of position B as I have diagrammed, however, you have two viable options for getting on the four. The side pocket is so big from there that you can cut the ball to your right and slide down the rail with bottom left, or you can draw straight back to the short side of the four. In either case, your position zone on the three seems to be much wider taking the two rail across the table route, and the speed is much easier to control.
Just MHO.
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wow.......i mean, i just got a PM from someone that made two of the most ridiculous comments i have ever read or heard. and this person was using four letter words in their PM to me. this person said they have helped a bunch of people with their games, yet, again, this person made two of the stupidest comments i think i have ever read.
if i may relate a story here..........believe it was at the 2001 BCA in May in Las Vegas. i saw a top of the line mens professional (world champ, u.s. open champ, challenge of champions winner) out by the swimming pool at the Riviera during the afternoon. this player made a comment about playing 9-Ball during our conversation along these lines:
"Its an extremely difficult game"
just thought i would throw that out there in case anyone wants to give it some consideration before they proclaim its an easy game again.
DCP
if i may relate a story here..........believe it was at the 2001 BCA in May in Las Vegas. i saw a top of the line mens professional (world champ, u.s. open champ, challenge of champions winner) out by the swimming pool at the Riviera during the afternoon. this player made a comment about playing 9-Ball during our conversation along these lines:
"Its an extremely difficult game"
just thought i would throw that out there in case anyone wants to give it some consideration before they proclaim its an easy game again.
DCP
You probably didnt stay the whole time... he probably saidDrCue'sProtege said:
"Its an extremely difficult game... because anyone can runout in it."
Cuebacca said:
well, i guess that explains to me why i have seen on tv and in person some of the absolute best players in the world mess up racks of 9-Ball. they might make it look easy, but somebody told me once that "Any shot can be missed by anybody..........."
DCP
Cuebacca said:
hi Cuebacca,
and yes, i have practiced this shot again. i've tried various ways mentioned on here. and, here's my thoughts:
1) same circumstances, same shot, i'd be inclined to hit it with left english again. but hopefully not as hard.
2) i can see the benefits of the low right shot now. didnt even think about low right at the time. i might possibly consider using some low right on this shot now - possibly.
thanks to all who made positive comments and suggestions. and even thanks to those that made criticizing comments, those were taken into consideration too. hope everyone enjoyed the banter...
DCP
DrCue'sProtege said:
did you ever consider banking the 2.........with like a stun shot ...which would leave the cue frozen on the long rail then pocket the 3 in the corner with some follow to leave the cue near the middle diamond then go from there for shape on the 5..now i know im not looking at the shot in person.because the 2 might be nearer to the corner pocket than it seems..but sometimes u have to play outside the box. im not an instructor just an avid student so im always trying different things jmho best of luck
diller47 said:
regarding the bank shot........if you dont get ABSOLUTE PERFECT PINPOINT position on the 3-Ball you will probably end up scratching in the side pocket. that is just way, way to risky to try and leave the cue on the rail and pocket the 3-Ball down into the corner.
and yes, i thought about the bank on the 2-Ball, and come off the rail up to around Point A, but decided the other option was more likely to give me what i call Shot Success. and it would have too, but i hit it ever so slightly too hard........
DCP
Not to mention, what if you happen to be on a tournament Diamond Pro/Am? With super tight pockets? Do you like the bank now?
The point of good 9 ball is, is that most players build a set of position shots they can rely on consistently for most recurring situations. Since banks change due to humidity, they will never be a shot you should rely on in this sort of situation unless you have NO other choice.
You can make the ball straight in. This isn't an "outside the box" type play. It's straight forward.
Sometimes, in 9 ball, you HAVE to draw the cue ball back exactly to within 2-3 inches of a target area. That's what the table has given you, that's the correct pay. Don't invent a wacky shot. Just attempt to draw the ball back to that position area. If you can't do that... Practice it.. Don't suggest following three rails when you should be working on the correct shot.
Russ
The point of good 9 ball is, is that most players build a set of position shots they can rely on consistently for most recurring situations. Since banks change due to humidity, they will never be a shot you should rely on in this sort of situation unless you have NO other choice.
You can make the ball straight in. This isn't an "outside the box" type play. It's straight forward.
Sometimes, in 9 ball, you HAVE to draw the cue ball back exactly to within 2-3 inches of a target area. That's what the table has given you, that's the correct pay. Don't invent a wacky shot. Just attempt to draw the ball back to that position area. If you can't do that... Practice it.. Don't suggest following three rails when you should be working on the correct shot.
Russ