Any Ideas? Old Cue With Big 3/8x12 Joint

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House cue conversion with big 3/8x12(?) aluminum pin.

Derlin butt cap… Wrap is nylon, I think.

Butt is 28.5. Shaft is 29”.

Has to be one of the older examples of a non-DPK sectioned butt sleeve.

Maybe the rubber bumper is a clue?

I’d appreciate any thoughts.

Thanks
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Another mystery that came in the mail today.

I love this cue. It’s a tank… Super-solid. One of the best shafts I’ve ever seen on a cue.

Joint seems to be bronze, not brass.

Interesting, thick-gauge wrap material.

A lot of length below the wrap.
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I think that the first cue is some sort of Brunswick Masterstroke conversion- new shaft, new wrap ( leather removed) and a new butt sleeve section with buttcap added. Obvious joint pin change as well. Bottom cue looks entirely home made to me by a wood worker/machinist
 
Another vintage head scratcher:

Aluminum half joint.

Flat 5/16-18 brass pin.

Derlin Hoppe ring.

Several nails or tacks under the wrap. (I’m guessing to bring weight to the area.)

Just one shaft is original, so, I don’t think it’s a personal garage-project, or the inserts and collars would be better matched.
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3/8x12 was not as uncommon as some may think. Imports used it and sometimes the screw was mounted in the shaft.
Anyone remember those old Budweiser cues?
Brass joint on the butt, brass screw mounted in the shaft.
 
3/8-12 was also an early Brunswick factory screw, and many of their "special order" cues used it. These cues were modified at their regional stores or at the factory to order.
 
PhilosopherKing said:
Another vintage head scratcher:

Aluminum half joint.

Flat 5/16-18 brass pin.

Derlin Hoppe ring.

Several nails or tacks under the wrap. (I’m guessing to bring weight to the area.)

Just one shaft is original, so, I don’t think it’s a personal garage-project, or the inserts and collars would be better matched.
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While I don’t recall what pin he used, Benson cues out of Washington was a user of half metal joints.
 
PDX said:
While I don’t recall what pin he used, Benson cues out of Washington was a user of half metal joints.
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Yeah. From the sellers’s pictures, I thought it was most likely a Benson or an early Schuler when I bought it.

Maybe some other Rocky Tillis fan made it.
 
Some updates:

3/8-12 cue is a 60’s TAD.

Cue with the weights under the wrap was made by Karl Mayer.

Any more thoughts on the one with the thick, gold wrap?
 
measureman said:
How did you figure that out?
Mayer was from N.J.
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I found a cue on Facebook with the same weights under the wrap... The owner is certain it’s a Mayer.

Another person commented that they had a Mayer like it.

I got my cue from Northern PA, so, seems geographically correct.
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Some early Meucci cues have round dots visible on the wrap. Sometimes they are very obvious and some times you only see them in just the right light. They are from the drilled holes in the handle filled with metal weights. On the one I took the wrap off of they went all the way through the handle. this particular cue had cracked at the wide part of the weight and had to be glued. Good as new...
 
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Some early Meucci cues have round dots visible on the wrap. Sometimes they are very obvious and some times you only see them in just the right light. They are from the drilled holes in the handle filled with metal weights. On the one I took the wrap off of they went all the way through the handle. this particular cue had cracked at the wide part of the weight and had to be glued. Good as new...
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Thanks. Do have any pictures of the Meucci?
 
No I don't. That was before I had a cell phone. or a digital camera even. I didn't take a lot of pics back then or even now really, If you are aware of them you can spot them on the old originals sometimes. If they aren't fairly obvious look under light at different angles. I don't think they did it for very long there probably fairly scarce. Maybe someone here has one and can share pics?
 
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