Any Other Way To Play This Shot?

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DrCue'sProtege

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this is a layout i was confronted with yesterday. at the time didnt see any other way to play this from an offensive standpoint. i hit a little high right and wanted to come back to Point B. however, i was short, probably because i was afraid of the '8' Ball. i ended up at Point C, but did manage to run this rack out.

how would you posters have played this?
did i miss something?

DCP

p.s. the cue ball is at Point A, it always seems to disappear for some reason.

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I play this shot like this.
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%RM3R0%SU3Q7%Ur8I3%Vq6H5%Ws2D0%Xq9F7%YJ9O1%ZS8[1%[L0N2%\b5R4
%]Y1U9%^e5[4%eC2b2%_f5[0%`m0R2%as3J0%bp5H8%ci3L6%dc3P0
)END

The position triangle (marked on the diagram) is easy to get into and you're not so worried about speed control. Use draw and a tip of outside to flatten the rebound angle a bit. Staying below the four ball is very low percentage and if you hit it, you're only gonna knock it out of the way. This way you're giving yourself plenty of room to overhit it. Personally, I don't like to hit the shot like you did because you're not using the position triangle to your fullest. You run the risk of overshooting the shot. Congrats on the runout anyway.:)
 
DrCue'sProtege said:
this is a layout i was confronted with yesterday. at the time didnt see any other way to play this from an offensive standpoint. i hit a little high right and wanted to come back to Point B. however, i was short, probably because i was afraid of the '8' Ball. i ended up at Point C, but did manage to run this rack out.

how would you posters have played this?
did i miss something?

DCP

p.s. the cue ball is at Point A, it always seems to disappear for some reason.

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Hey Tom,

Did you switch vitamins? You've been posting with a vengeance, recently :p

Personally, I think getting the CB to anywhere between "A" to "B" is goodenough. I would prefer to play longer position, instead of possibly hooking myself. Getting position on the 4 is fairly routine from almost any shot on the 3.


Eric
 
FYI,
i am not Tom Rossman, lol!
he is/was my instructor for years.
quite a guy, what the game of Billiards is all about.

DCP
 
DCP
You're still not posting the cueball. It's the next ball in line after the 15 ball. You just can't see it. Drag it onto the table. It's there. I promise.
 
he's trying

Hal said:
DCP
You're still not posting the cueball. It's the next ball in line after the 15 ball. You just can't see it. Drag it onto the table. It's there. I promise.
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DCP apologizes for the missing cueball every time, saying that it doesn't show up in the diagram as posted. I think he is dragging it there, but something else is going wrong. Does anyone else have this problem when using the WEI?
 
Let's try this:

didn't work...lol.

For some reason the cueball won't show up?! :confused: I think it has something to do with the wei table for this site specifically.
 
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Eric. said:
Personally, I think getting the CB to anywhere between "A" to "B" is goodenough. I would prefer to play longer position, instead of possibly hooking myself. Getting position on the 4 is fairly routine from almost any shot on the 3.


Eric
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I definitely agree with you, Eric.

However, if he left it at or near position A, then that would be nearly the same two rail position shot he didn't want to kill last week (or was that two weeks ago?). Which of course is why he wanted to get to B in the first place. Position "A" (the starting point of the cueball) isn't in his comfort zone.

Fred
 
I agree with Eric here; coming up short on position you're still in good shape, rolling long means you're screwed. So hit it about like you did, and be content with any where near position C in your diagram for the cut and then come up past the 8 for a shot on the 4. If you have enough angle on the 4 to get your CB across the table, you're in fine shape because the 5 goes in either of the upper corners, and you won't really have to worry at all about position on the 6.

So in short, you may have meant to get to point B, but point C is where you should have been aiming for, because it allows you to come up short or long and still be in a good situation.

-Andrew
 
Cornerman said:
I definitely agree with you, Eric.

However, if he left it at or near position A, then that would be nearly the same two rail position shot he didn't want to kill last week (or was that two weeks ago?). Which of course is why he wanted to get to B in the first place. Position "A" (the starting point of the cueball) isn't in his comfort zone.

Fred
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Can you guys not see the 9 ball just below the 3 ball?

unknownpro
 
Hal said:
DCP
You're still not posting the cueball. It's the next ball in line after the 15 ball. You just can't see it. Drag it onto the table. It's there. I promise.
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I tried to wei a new table ready for a 9ball break, and the nie kept leaving the rack.
 
unknownpro said:
Can you guys not see the 9 ball just below the 3 ball?

unknownpro
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I saw it, but the combo's not on, and only the very edge of the 9 interferes with the CB's tangent line off the 3, so it didn't really affect my decision. I'd play long on the three, trying to land at point C, and then play the 3 with high english, expecting the CB to glance off the 9 after the three, but still follow to the end rail and then up past the 8. The 9 should be pushed down to the end rail, not getting in the way of anything with the speed I'd be using.

-Andrew
 
unknownpro said:
Can you guys not see the 9 ball just below the 3 ball?
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That's what I thought. The tangent line off the 3 ball will clip the 9. If you stun the CB, chances are you'd clip the 9 and send the CB headed toward the corner pocket.

You'd have to draw the CB a bit so that it would just miss the 9, but draw too much and you send the CB headed to the corner again.

Even if you do manage to put the right amount of draw such that the CB misses 9 and falls short of the corner, the CB will be coming into the second rail at such a steep angle that speed becomes very important, or you find yourself behind the 8.
 
unknownpro said:
Can you guys not see the 9 ball just below the 3 ball?

unknownpro
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If you're syaing that you think it's a scratch shot, I don't think the carom off the 9 scratches with a normally rolling CB. If it's juiced, the corner pocket plays big, IMO. I'll try it tonite.

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Eric
 
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DCP, Congrats on the runout!

There are a variety of ways to play this shot, some of which may be better than others. Since you mentioned in this thread (and in other threads) that the cue ball came up short of your desired position, I would also suggest working on your speed control so that you can hit the CB harder or softer, as needed, to get closer to your target zone.

Try practicing the various suggestions that people may but also work on better CB speed control.
 
DCP, Congrats on the runout!

There are a variety of ways to play this shot, some of which may be better than others. Since you mentioned in this thread (and in other threads) that the cue ball came up short of your desired position, I would also suggest working on your speed control so that you can hit the CB harder or softer, as needed, to get closer to your target zone.

Try practicing the various suggestions that people made but also work on your CB speed control too.
 
Hal said:
Cue ball check:

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If you want it to show up as a table instead of code, you have to surround it with {WEI}{/WEI} tags, except replace {} with []. And by the way, your cue ball didn't show up.

-Andrew
edit: oops, I see you already figured that out... ignore me
 
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