Any videos of the "old" 2-foul 9-ball?

terryhanna said:
This video is from the Country Calvin classic they had a few years ago they played this event using the old school rules.

Not many videos out there with two foul rules, this is one of the only ones i could find you can tell CJ and Kevin are not used to playing these rules more than once they get confused.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLu4hIZ-yP0
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This video is a good example for all those naysayers who complain that 2-foul would slow the game down.

In 12 games played there were:

1. 6 pushouts

2. 5 intentional safties

C.J. missed 2 out of 3 spot-shots which is not unusual when a player is not used to needing to shoot them.

There were situations where a player would've played a lockup safe playing 1 foul but instead shot the object ball.

Even though it stated that all balls made on a foul would spot up they were not. They did play if the lowest number ball was behind the line after a pocket scratch it spotted up.

Too bad this match was on such a small table.
 
Cowboy Dennis said:
This video is a good example for all those naysayers who complain that 2-foul would slow the game down.

In 12 games played there were:

1. 6 pushouts

2. 5 intentional safties

C.J. missed 2 out of 3 spot-shots which is not unusual when a player is not used to needing to shoot them.

There were situations where a player would've played a lockup safe playing 1 foul but instead shot the object ball.

Even though it stated that all balls made on a foul would spot up they were not. They did play if the lowest number ball was behind the line after a pocket scratch it spotted up.

Too bad this match was on such a small table.
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Which begs the question, were the TE rules brought in to speed up the game or to dumb down the rules for TV audiences?
 
Slasher said:
Which begs the question, were the TE rules brought in to speed up the game or to dumb down the rules for TV audiences?
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As I remember it, one-foul-ball-in-hand was SUPPOSED to speed up matches for tv.
 
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Slasher said:
Which begs the question, were the TE rules brought in to speed up the game or to dumb down the rules for TV audiences?
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Pushout said:
As I remember it, one-foul-ball-in-hand was SUPPOSED to speed up matches for tv.
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I think TE is different from the original 1 foul rules. I also think the original 1 foul rules were put into place at the Johnston City tourneys and I don't think they were televised:).

I do not know why TE or 1 foul was invented, I didn't do it, but it's had the effect of dumbing the game down without a doubt. How else to explain players passing up tough shots to play safeties?

RBL
 
It's interesting because I remember a while back watching two players at my hall playing 9 ball like this.

Question though, how much do these rules bring down the luck factor in the 9 ball everyone is accustomed to playing now? Because from what I saw of that video those guys were still running out on the majority of racks.
 
Positively Ralf said:
Question though, how much do these rules bring down the luck factor in the 9 ball everyone is accustomed to playing now? Because from what I saw of that video those guys were still running out on the majority of racks.
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It almost eliminates luck as a factor.

I don't believe they were playing on a 9' table, hence the run-outs.
 
Cowboy Dennis said:
I think TE is different from the original 1 foul rules. I also think the original 1 foul rules were put into place at the Johnston City tourneys and I don't think they were televised:).

I do not know why TE or 1 foul was invented, I didn't do it, but it's had the effect of dumbing the game down without a doubt. How else to explain players passing up tough shots to play safeties?

RBL
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I think you're right, it certainly wasn't called TE until some years later, I know that.
 
1983-1985....Breakers billiards, Austin, TX.....Texas Open....I put these rules into effect...first major event with BIH even after the break, and only the 9 spots. I also created the name.

Regardless of the naysayers, it was the best thing to happen to tournament play for the last 50 years.
 
Rockin' Robin said:
1983-1985....Breakers billiards, Austin, TX.....Texas Open....I put these rules into effect...first major event with BIH even after the break, and only the 9 spots. I also created the name.

Regardless of the naysayers, it was the best thing to happen to tournament play for the last 50 years.
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Curious....why do you think so?
 
Pushout said:
Curious....why do you think so?
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My guess is because it's what everyone has been playing.

If 2-foul is truly that great of a game, then why aren't more people playing it? How hard would it be to talk someone into running a 2-foul tournament? I mean CJ talked up a storm about how great the game was for over a year. Yet the ONLY video anyone can find online is one race to 7 from 2013.

The fact is that 2-foul 9-ball is a niche game in a niche sport that gamblers play when they don't feel like gambling.
 
Pushout said:
Curious....why do you think so?
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Like the previous poster said, probably because it's pretty much the rules everyone has played any major 9 ball tournaments with in the last 50 years. I'm sure stuff like making it easy for the TV execs and audiences to follow can be argued in it's favor.
 
BeiberLvr said:
My guess is because it's what everyone has been playing.

If 2-foul is truly that great of a game, then why aren't more people playing it? How hard would it be to talk someone into running a 2-foul tournament? I mean CJ talked up a storm about how great the game was for over a year. Yet the ONLY video anyone can find online is one race to 7 from 2013.

The fact is that 2-foul 9-ball is a niche game in a niche sport that gamblers play when they don't feel like gambling.
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Wow! Have you ever played it?? "because it's what everyone has been playing" isn't an answer. WHY have they been playing it?? Not long ago a topic like this would have been all about playing one foul instead of push out. It's changing, the players are getting sick of the luck factor in one foul, obviously. At least some of them are, and it's long over due.
I guess you answered my question with your last statement. {shakes head}
 
Positively Ralf said:
Like the previous poster said, probably because it's pretty much the rules everyone has played any major 9 ball tournaments with in the last 50 years. I'm sure stuff like making it easy for the TV execs and audiences to follow can be argued in it's favor.
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Failed. Pool on tv?? HA!
 
Pushout said:
Curious....why do you think so?
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I suspect he means that pool would be in even worse shape (yes, things could be worse) if he hadn't developed the 9-ball TE rules.

There's a good chance that he's right. 9-ball TE did have a decent run on TV that might not have happened with a slower game. Ditto for 9-ball leagues today; logic says that when you simplify a task you'll get more people to participate. Sure, the higher skilled players might not like it, but they're one-out-of-a-hundred total players.

Human nature dictates that when things are bad, we assume they couldn't get any worse. But they usually do.
 
I dont know about Detroit, but I played in 2 of the biggest gamblin rooms in the country from 1967 to 1979 ( Guys And Dolls in Suitland Md And Weenie Beenies room in Arlington Va , and never say the CB jumped once. The best players in the country played in those 2 rooms. Jumping was not allowed. What happened after that I dont know as I retired in 1980 due to back issues.
When I came back in 1989, the cloth had changer ( wool to simonis,pushout to 1 foul, no balls spotted but the 9 ball, It was a joke.
I have a copy of the BCA rule book from 1978. It lists the rules for 9 ball as pushout, and 'tournament rules' as 1 foul.
The Jansco brothers and Weenie Beenie came up with the original 1 foul rules to SPEED UP Play for tournrys. Players would play 1 foul in the tourney and come out gamblin at pushout. TE destroyed 9 ball to speed it up. It added more luck to the game and killed shotmaking. It was NEVER designed to replace pushout, only for tourneys.
 
Gunn_Slinger said:
I dont know about Detroit, but I played in 2 of the biggest gamblin rooms in the country from 1967 to 1979 ( Guys And Dolls in Suitland Md And Weenie Beenies room in Arlington Va , and never say the CB jumped once. The best players in the country played in those 2 rooms. Jumping was not allowed. What happened after that I dont know as I retired in 1980 due to back issues.
When I came back in 1989, the cloth had changer ( wool to simonis,pushout to 1 foul, no balls spotted but the 9 ball, It was a joke.
I have a copy of the BCA rule book from 1978. It lists the rules for 9 ball as pushout, and 'tournament rules' as 1 foul.
The Jansco brothers and Weenie Beenie came up with the original 1 foul rules to SPEED UP Play for tournrys. Players would play 1 foul in the tourney and come out gamblin at pushout. TE destroyed 9 ball to speed it up. It added more luck to the game and killed shotmaking. It was NEVER designed to replace pushout, only for tourneys.
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I worked in a pool hall until 1973 and played in many others back then. None of them allowed jumping. The owner of the one I worked in would throw you out if he caught you intentionally jumping the cue ball.
 
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