APA 5 - How much weight would you give?
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Whatever u wanna do minus the mid rack push out. Sounds like a gaff and prob no one but top player would try it. I know I wouldn't if for no other reason then its a pita - and I would just tell u to keep practicing till u got better and didn't need that particular spot! Hope someone gives it to you, GL.
I'm a 5, who was a 6 but went down after a couple losses. Point being, ya never know with a 5 just how good they are. I've crushed 7s and 8s, and I've been beaten by a 1. 5s are tough.
I always laugh at guys like you at Apa who beat me and celebrate like they did something. I beat a 9!! Mean while I still made 30 more balls them them. Lol I have fun at Apa leagues but beating someone with a spot never felt like a win to me. Probably why as a player coming I never asked for one while gambling.
To answer your question who knows. Ive heard that at nationals you'll play 5s and 6s who will string racks on you. I would never give a spot based on someone's Apa or tap handy cap
No need to be jerky. "You laugh at guys like me?" Come on, man. Besides, when i say I crushed a 7 or 8, I mean making more balls than them...not talking about the weight. You're one of those sanctimonious people who make it less fun.
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To answer the original question, it would depend on how good that 5 plays. As has been stated, an APA 5 can have a very broad skill level depending on where they established their rating and how good they are at manipulating the system.
Handicap systems are tricky. For one to be truly effective, the handicap should narrow the gap between skill levels, but cannot overcome it. Anytime the weaker player has the real advantage, the system will corrupt itself.
The higher skilled player should always have the advantage.
The winner should be decided by who plays the best relative to their skill level. Sometimes the lower skill player will have a good set, and win. Other times the higher skill player will show his experience and skill and overcome the handicap.
Anytime the handicap is such that the lower skilled player has the advantage, the incentive to become a better player goes away. Also, the incentive to cheat by sandbagging goes through the roof.
Royce
Handicap systems are tricky. For one to be truly effective, the handicap should narrow the gap between skill levels, but cannot overcome it. Anytime the weaker player has the real advantage, the system will corrupt itself.
The higher skilled player should always have the advantage.
The winner should be decided by who plays the best relative to their skill level. Sometimes the lower skill player will have a good set, and win. Other times the higher skill player will show his experience and skill and overcome the handicap.
Anytime the handicap is such that the lower skilled player has the advantage, the incentive to become a better player goes away. Also, the incentive to cheat by sandbagging goes through the roof.
Royce
This reminds me of a situation I often have with a buddy of mine. We've both been playing pool for a while, but I'm obviously better than he is (our over all win/loss record is hugely slanted in my favor). However, he will not for the life of him admit that I'm a better player. Occasionally, we'll play for a few bucks just to make the game more interesting and I've never lost a set to him. So I told him that I'd be more than willing to give him a handicap if he'd just admit that I'm better than he is. He's more than willing to accept a handicap, but I guess his ego/pride won't let those words come out of his mouth so he never gets a handicap. I tried to explain to him that accepting a handicap is the same thing is admitting that I'm the better player, but he doesn't want to hear it.
I'm a B player! As long as you're a true "5", I like that a lot! And seeing you're talking about an extra push out, you can wholeheartedly have it
but on one condition,,,, you HAVE to push on your first money ball shot
Remember, that's if you're "5"! Not a paper 5 that break and run every couple racks!
And one more thing,,,, something like this should have a decent wager on it! Min bet is 200! Don't go trying to hustle a "6" with this for 20 dollars! It will show how much of a bit you are!
One more thing, I don't bet with nits! I consider them 4th class citizens! They don't deserve to even be within 100yrds of a pool table!
I don't even acknowledge a nits existence
As a mediocre, non-manipulated SL5 myself, the only time I ever mention (to friends, not crowing to anyone who can hear me) that I "crushed" a better player is if I did so without the handicap spot.
For instance a beat a good friend of mine, a SL6, 4-0 in 8-ball last session. I did kinda crush him, he didn't win a game. Most times, he would beat me handily.
Another time I beat a SL7 in 9-ball, I was out (got my38 for those unfamiliar) before he got to 23. Could he have come back and beaten me if we both had to go to 55, maybe, but I still consider that beating him pretty handily.
Beyond those scenarios tho, you're right. I may say that I won a particular match, but not crow about crushing someone because of a spot.
1) i wasn't crowing...if I was, would I finish the sentence saying I've been beaten by a 1? My point was, 5s are tough to gauge. I don't "crow." 2) as stated, the wins did exclude the handicap.
Sheesh. This forum really is starting to suck.
You're right Rich, when you mentioned you got beaten by 1's, it was obvious to me at least, you were only saying you can beat higher levels and as well as lose to the lowest levels, and this is probably true for just about anyone that's played apa.
If you beat them to your spot then that's a legitimate win and I don't laugh out loud and point at them lol I should have said I find it funny.
i am one of those 5's that you never can judge from one week to the next.
a few weeks ago i beat a 9 by 38-32.....lost to a 3 by 25-19 last night.
i beat another 5 by 38 -4 at my one and only trip to nationals ....recording my 1st ever skunk in apa....have gotten 2 more since.
2nd match i won vs another 5 by 38-10
3rd match i lost to a 7 by 1 point after being down 18-0 before i ever got to the table.
last match i lost to a 3 by 25-22 .
2 weeks ago i lost to a 5 by 38-20 and beat a 6 last wed night by 38-16.
as you can see ...my game is all over the scale.
my break is the biggest factor in whether i win or lose. sometimes i make 1 or 2 on the break and have a good shot at the next ball and sometimes i break dry with a good layout for my opponent.
another facyor is whether my head is in the game or not. sadly ....some nights it just dont matter if i win or lose. been having too much drama in my life lately that affects my game when i go to league. take last night for example....come home from work to find one of my cues snapped in half....of course none of my g/f's kids admitted to doing it.. i aint talking about little kids....they are 18 and 20. . i took steps to ensure it does not happen again time for me to be single again.
a few weeks ago i beat a 9 by 38-32.....lost to a 3 by 25-19 last night.
i beat another 5 by 38 -4 at my one and only trip to nationals ....recording my 1st ever skunk in apa....have gotten 2 more since.
2nd match i won vs another 5 by 38-10
3rd match i lost to a 7 by 1 point after being down 18-0 before i ever got to the table.
last match i lost to a 3 by 25-22 .
2 weeks ago i lost to a 5 by 38-20 and beat a 6 last wed night by 38-16.
as you can see ...my game is all over the scale.
my break is the biggest factor in whether i win or lose. sometimes i make 1 or 2 on the break and have a good shot at the next ball and sometimes i break dry with a good layout for my opponent.
another facyor is whether my head is in the game or not. sadly ....some nights it just dont matter if i win or lose. been having too much drama in my life lately that affects my game when i go to league. take last night for example....come home from work to find one of my cues snapped in half....of course none of my g/f's kids admitted to doing it.. i aint talking about little kids....they are 18 and 20. . i took steps to ensure it does not happen again time for me to be single again.
What does an apa5 or 6 look like playing 9 ball anyway?
Anyone have a video link? Sorry, I've never played leage before.
Anyone have a video link? Sorry, I've never played leage before.
If that's the spot you're asking for, you aren't betting on your game. You're just trying to rob a guy. Last 3, plus the breaks, an extra push shot, and a game on the wire? Get real. Ask for games. Or ask for balls. Not both.
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I wasn't suggesting that you were crowing, I was replying to Trobs post.
Okay. I know I was goofing earlier but now I've had time to think about it. Someone who is really a 5 I might be able to win at that spot. I'm not in APA anymore so I don't know how to tell you my speed on a barbox. Pretty good though.
I probably wouldn't play someone giving up that spot other than just to try it. Not for a lot of money though because 1) There is a large VARIANCE in the pool of APA 5s. 2) It wouldn't take much knowledge to be able to win with this spot against me.
I don't think most 5s would shoot good enough to get there with this spot against a much better player. I know a bunch of high end shortstops that would routinely bust APA 5s and even 6s with spots like this - without the push.
Add the push in and a lower level good player like me - well - if you were a little smarter than the average bear you could make this painful for me. The fact that you would want this spot is a tell that you probably are smarter than the average bear so in the real world I would stay away. I'd be pretty likely to give up the orange crush or the last 3 + the breaks.
Last three + the breaks = Stooge Crush.