APA 8 Ball Proposition Bet

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bobprobst

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You play APA as an honest 7. We're playing on a 7ft bar box.

We rack a nine ball rack but with the 8 in the center spot, you break. If the 8 ball falls, it gets spotted. After the break, the 9 comes off the table and you get ball in hand.

The bet is: if you can run out (call shot, no APA slop) - in any order - and sink the 8 ball last, I pay you "X" and if you don't, you pay me "Y".

What's the X and Y in this equation?

My question here is one of odds. What's the % of an honest APA 7 running 8 with ball in hand? If we can hypothesize that a 7 should run it 75% of the time then I should pay you $25 when you earn it and you should pay me $75 if you fail to make it. For example: we play this 4 times in an ideal world and you will succeed 3 times and fail once. The result is: we're dead even on the money - $75/$75.

So: what % should an honest 7 run out in this situation? Consider clusters: 7 footers can end up with all sorts of clusters and blocked pockets. What's an APA 7's run out percentage?

Disclaimer: APA does not condone gambling -- nor do I ;) . This is for entertainment purposes only.
 
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bobprobst said:
You play APA as an honest 7. We're playing on a 7ft bar box.

We rack a nine ball rack but with the 8 in the center spot, you break. If the 8 ball falls, it gets spotted. After the break, the 9 comes off the table and you get ball in hand.

The bet is: if you can run out (call shot, no APA slop) - in any order - and sink the 8 ball last, I pay you "X" and if you don't, you pay me "Y".

What's the X and Y in this equation?

My question here is one of odds. What's the % of an honest APA 7 running 8 with ball in hand? If we can hypothesize that a 7 should run it 75% of the time then I should pay you $25 when you earn it and you should pay me $75 if you fail to make it. For example: we play this 4 times in an ideal world and you will succeed 3 times and fail once. The result is: we're dead even on the money - $75/$75.

So: what % should an honest 7 run out in this situation? Consider clusters: 7 footers can end up with all sorts of clusters and blocked pockets. What's an APA 7's run out percentage?

Disclaimer: APA does not condone gambling -- nor do I ;) . This is for entertainment purposes only.
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I am an 8 in 9 ball but when I was a 7....I would take the
bet at a ratio of 2/1. If I read correctly it's ball in hand
and shoot in any order?
Any legit 7 should be able to run out 4 out of 5 times on
a bar box with those stipulations. Shooting in any order, clusters
should not be a factor.
Actually, shooting in any order a 5 should be able to run out
maybe 50% of the time.....JMHO
 
There's no entertainment in that post, I can't even tell what in the heck you are talking about.

9 ball rack 8 here, then pull 9 ball run % WHAT...........

bobprobst said:
You play APA as an honest 7. We're playing on a 7ft bar box.

We rack a nine ball rack but with the 8 in the center spot, you break. If the 8 ball falls, it gets spotted. After the break, the 9 comes off the table and you get ball in hand.

The bet is: if you can run out (call shot, no APA slop) - in any order - and sink the 8 ball last, I pay you "X" and if you don't, you pay me "Y".

What's the X and Y in this equation?

My question here is one of odds. What's the % of an honest APA 7 running 8 with ball in hand? If we can hypothesize that a 7 should run it 75% of the time then I should pay you $25 when you earn it and you should pay me $75 if you fail to make it. For example: we play this 4 times in an ideal world and you will succeed 3 times and fail once. The result is: we're dead even on the money - $75/$75.

So: what % should an honest 7 run out in this situation? Consider clusters: 7 footers can end up with all sorts of clusters and blocked pockets. What's an APA 7's run out percentage?

Disclaimer: APA does not condone gambling -- nor do I ;) . This is for entertainment purposes only.
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ANY ORDER? So pretty much can you shoot in 8 consecutive shots on a barbox? Damn, I'll take whatever the player is willing to bet on X, doesn't matter the Y.
 
Rjmoncrief said:
I am an 8 in 9 ball but when I was a 7....I would take the
bet at a ratio of 2/1. If I read correctly it's ball in hand
and shoot in any order?
Any legit 7 should be able to run out 4 out of 5 times on
a bar box with those stipulations. Shooting in any order, clusters
should not be a factor.
Actually, shooting in any order a 5 should be able to run out
maybe 50% of the time.....JMHO
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So you'd call an 80/20 an even bet? That's about how I'd call it too. At least with the 7s around these parts. And yeah,5s should get it 40-50% of the time.

LHP5 said:
ANY ORDER? So pretty much can you shoot in 8 consecutive shots on a barbox? Damn, I'll take whatever the player is willing to bet on X, doesn't matter the Y.
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So I pay you $1 if you make it and you pay me $100 if you don't? I'm coming to Maryland!
 
u12armresl said:
There's no entertainment in that post, I can't even tell what in the heck you are talking about.

9 ball rack 8 here, then pull 9 ball run % WHAT...........
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It's basically, what % should an APA 7 run a rack of 8 ball with ball in hand and only their balls on the table? And what would a 7 be willing to gamble on that prop?
 
"Honest 7"... In which game? APA 8 ball rankings stop at 7... a player who moved up from a 6 last week to a 7 this week and a player who plays a ball under SVB are both honest 7s. The odds will vary based on the player involved, not just the effectively meaningless handicap designation.
 
I'd say 4.5 out of 6 times they will run out. This is pretty easy. It's basically the same thing as your opponent running all the stripes off the table then leaving you ball in hand to run out an open table.
 
I just had to delete my post because I re-read and you said in ANY ORDER, that's quite a bit easier, why even do that? I don't think anyone would bother doing that. If you want to test the skill, play 9 ball ghost instead of 8 ball with only half the balls on the table, that won't show you anything if you can shoot any ball with nothing in the way.
 
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bobprobst said:
It's basically, what % should an APA 7 run a rack of 8 ball with ball in hand and only their balls on the table? And what would a 7 be willing to gamble on that prop?
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Nothing because APA players wouldn't bet water is wet. I offer up the last 3 with all the breaks on a barbox to them and they wont play. I don't think they like money. Ain't Playing for Anything (APA).
 
Ball in hand? Any order? What clusters with only 8 balls on the table? 80% on a diamond pro cut 7'. 90% on a Valley.
 
DallasHopps said:
"Honest 7"... In which game? APA 8 ball rankings stop at 7... a player who moved up from a 6 last week to a 7 this week and a player who plays a ball under SVB are both honest 7s. The odds will vary based on the player involved, not just the effectively meaningless handicap designation.
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^^^^^ this^^^^^
 
Cashplayer said:
Nothing because APA players wouldn't bet water is wet. I offer up the last 3 with all the breaks on a barbox to them and they wont play. I don't think they like money. Ain't Playing for Anything (APA).
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Where do you live? I know some APA players here who would take that spot without seeing you hit a ball first.
 
bobprobst said:
You play APA as an honest 7. We're playing on a 7ft bar box.

We rack a nine ball rack but with the 8 in the center spot, you break. If the 8 ball falls, it gets spotted. After the break, the 9 comes off the table and you get ball in hand.

The bet is: if you can run out (call shot, no APA slop) - in any order - and sink the 8 ball last, I pay you "X" and if you don't, you pay me "Y".

What's the X and Y in this equation?

My question here is one of odds. What's the % of an honest APA 7 running 8 with ball in hand? If we can hypothesize that a 7 should run it 75% of the time then I should pay you $25 when you earn it and you should pay me $75 if you fail to make it. For example: we play this 4 times in an ideal world and you will succeed 3 times and fail once. The result is: we're dead even on the money - $75/$75.

So: what % should an honest 7 run out in this situation? Consider clusters: 7 footers can end up with all sorts of clusters and blocked pockets. What's an APA 7's run out percentage?

Disclaimer: APA does not condone gambling -- nor do I ;) . This is for entertainment purposes only.
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Bob,

Think you've got action! I'm an over the hill 70 year old APA 7. I'm blind in my dominant eye and have the shakes ;) . Guess you can bet it up on your prop. I'll be in Vegas 2/17 through 2/24. You can also find me at SBE and the ACS, CCS, BCAPL and APA Nationals. Both singles and team events. I'll be the really old guy with the dark glasses and tapper. Don't worry about my nicknames, no one else believes them either :D .

Lyn
 
robsnotes4u said:
I second that, pick up a few from Fargo on your way through
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Look I'd get a van and never come home again if it were this easy to get action from league players. In reality the league guys just won't bite. There's no woofing, no anything...

All I know is that if the opponent doesn't break and runout to their money over 30% on the barbox, I will get the cash. Spotting the last 3 isn't that big of a deal if I'm not missing finishing the last 4 or 5 balls.

The difference between a good league player and a shortstop big table player is huge. Spotting the break to a player is not a big handicap if they aren't getting out and have weak a safety game. It just doesn't matter.
 
Cashplayer said:
Look I'd get a van and never come home again if it were this easy to get action from league players. In reality the league guys just won't bite. There's no woofing, no anything...

All I know is that if the opponent doesn't break and runout to their money over 30% on the barbox, I will get the cash. Spotting the last 3 isn't that big of a deal if I'm not missing finishing the last 4 or 5 balls.

The difference between a good league player and a shortstop big table player is huge. Spotting the break to a player is not a big handicap if they aren't getting out and have weak a safety game. It just doesn't matter.
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Your argument was that no APA players will gamble.

I know a good half dozen in my division that would certainly be interested in your offer. Probably I could find more.

Just another pot shot at the APA. A league that isn't set up for big shot gamblers in the first place, tho there sure are some who do participate....and no, I'm not one of them (cuz I'm a typical league player, and I'm not interested in gambling what little money I have on my poor pool game).
 
Cashplayer said:
Look I'd get a van and never come home again if it were this easy to get action from league players. In reality the league guys just won't bite. There's no woofing, no anything...

All I know is that if the opponent doesn't break and runout to their money over 30% on the barbox, I will get the cash. Spotting the last 3 isn't that big of a deal if I'm not missing finishing the last 4 or 5 balls.

The difference between a good league player and a shortstop big table player is huge. Spotting the break to a player is not a big handicap if they aren't getting out and have weak a safety game. It just doesn't matter.
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You know there are good shortstops who play APA right? I know an APA player who woofs at BCA players all the time because he says they think they can play.

You are probably making these statements because you only offer this game to league players who have no chance with that weight. The fact that they know it doesn't make them nits or cowards.
 
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