That would be heartbreaking.
APA and Mosconi Cup
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That would be heartbreaking.
Just for the record, I don't play APA. No objection to it personally, but I have never had the time nor the inclination. I was merely relaying the reason people dislike the APA, from the constant whining I've had to listen to about it over the years.
My preference is bar table 8-ball, BCA rules. I also like big table 9-ball, and straight pool.
It’s been many years since I played league (BCA), but you called ball and pocket and that was it.
All the kisses and rail touches and crap like that was only in banger bars while gambling for astronomical amounts, like a beer or something.
Are leagues different now?
Not directing this at you personally ...but referring to people who complain about apa and its rules.
I think its ironic that people defend slop in 9 ball because its always been the rule and most believe it should stay that way.
Yet many of those same people dislike apa for the slop rule in 8 ball although apa has not changed the rule and adheres to the way the game was originally played and believes it should stay that way.
Nope, ball and pocket is all you need. The question was posed aout whether it was possible to slop a ball in under BCA rules. I was saying that I would gladly allow the occasional "slopped" ball in call pocket pool, than have to say exactly how it's going to reach the hole. It's a necessary evil.
I had to laugh at your post. The best answer I can give you is ....it depends on what area of the country you reside in.
As to your comment on calling every inch of the oath your object ball travels....thats also a ...it depends question.
Astronomical amount ? Back in the 80's I played mostly for 5.00-10.00 a rack. 100.00 a rack a few times and even 300.00 one time. That's for one rack...not a set. And this was in bars. I never set foot in a pool hall but a couple times back then.
I am sure there are several guys in here that can say the same about action in bars back then.
Back to your calling every thing comment. I played in bars all up and down the east coast of Florida in the 80's and never heard of calling the tip of the rail until the influx of northerners started coming down and retiring.....or job hunting. Of course we called caroms and such.....meaning clean or not on the way in to the pocket.
What easy and I were referring to is the misconception that no slop is allowed in call pocket which is absolutely false .
I guess I am guilty of bring up bar rules in a round about way which was not my intention.
My main point is a lot of people say play this league or that league instead of apa because of the slop rule vs call pocket. I was trying to point out call pocket does not eliminate slop....other than attempting any ball anywhere which you may see in apa 9 ball....but hey...slop is allowed in 9 ball so that's ok. :wink:
Loved the replies, lorider and easy-e! Made me smile. I now understand to what your posts were referring.
Never played in Florida, but the “call everything” I found in various places, including Georgia, Tennessee and Texas (years ago). Plus, playing anyone out of town from many of the other Southern States. I’m talking bar pool, here.
Never had any problem in the U.K, Canada, Hawaii (Big Island) or any of the other more distant locales I’ve played. Most seemed to think ball and pocket was fine, and they might ask before the shot if the path was not clear.
Never played in Florida, but the “call everything” I found in various places, including Georgia, Tennessee and Texas (years ago). Plus, playing anyone out of town from many of the other Southern States. I’m talking bar pool, here.
Never had any problem in the U.K, Canada, Hawaii (Big Island) or any of the other more distant locales I’ve played. Most seemed to think ball and pocket was fine, and they might ask before the shot if the path was not clear.
APA allows slop. Pros allow slop. Different game, same outcome. Think about it.
I just joined an APA league. I was able to review rules of play online prior to signing up. If anyone had a gun held to their head and was forced to play APA , I am unaware of it. Point of all this is.....You knew what you were getting into and elected to go forth anyway. Probably for the same reasons as myself, a love of the game. That being the case...."YOU HAVE NO Bit**h" comming. If it upsets you so badly....quit the friggin league and go back to railbirding. and there you have my 2 pennys.
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So you finally joined huh ? I recall you mentioning you might join Wednesday out if old Whitten. I heard tell that they were trying to start a team out of there on Thursdays.
Well I signed up for league play at OWT but have yet to hear any more about it. I was told they intended to have Wed and Thur leagues of 8 & 9 ball. I am trying to get on a Wed night 8 ball team if possible.
Your question was why it’s ok for pros, but not APA. That question has been answered. You seem to be taking it personal. Good luck in life.
It's rarely the higher level league players that complain about slop shots. On the rare occasion that it determines the outcome of a match, they might comment on it, but they generally laugh it off and move on. Slop is really more of an issue among the lower to mid level players; players that aren't likely to run out a rack, even on a wide open table. Between the higher probability of them slopping a ball in after missing the intended pocket, the short races, and rarity of run-outs, slop is more likely to factor into the winner of their matches.
Extrapolate this to a professional level, and you're talking about players that almost never slop a ball in. Most of them realize that an occasional slop shot isn't any more of a factor than any other lucky/unlucky roll, especially when you include an open break in the equation, so it's just not worth the extra hassle of calling pockets or disputing which shots are obvious and which aren't.
Extrapolate this to a professional level, and you're talking about players that almost never slop a ball in. Most of them realize that an occasional slop shot isn't any more of a factor than any other lucky/unlucky roll, especially when you include an open break in the equation, so it's just not worth the extra hassle of calling pockets or disputing which shots are obvious and which aren't.
In World rules, and most other leagues, 8 ball is a called shot, 9 ball is not. APA changes 8 ball to also be slop vs called shot. So in one case, they are playing by the standard rules of the game, in another it's changed to make a called shot game be non-called shot.
It's OK to shoot someone in a war but not when you are getting bread at your local store, those are world rules. APA changes the rule so you can you shoot anyone anytime if that will help you picture things.
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