APA Coaching Rule Clarification Please

mattb

mattb

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I read the rule book handout and on the coaching section I have a question. As I interpret the rule, a player can call a time out and have 1 (one) coach. Any other coaching, wether from the same team or any other person is a ball in hand foul. Rule is as follows from the handbook:


f. Receiving illegal aid (coaching from person(s)
other than the coach) during your turn at the
table. It is not considered illegal aid to remind a
player to mark the pocket when shooting the
8-ball, or to tell a player a foul has occurred.
Anyone may do so.

The word "coach" is singular in this context. Am I correct in this?
 
Yes, but a coach can confer with another teammate during the time out. The player can't be part of this exchange though.
 
In my league if the coach calls a t.o. & goes to the table to coach & someone else on the team wants to say something the shooter has to leave the table while the coach & other player talk. But in tournaments that's not allowed it's one t.o. & one coach. I believe their should be no coaching at all at anytime. Let everyone play to their true ability.
 
Roadking said:
In my league if the coach calls a t.o. & goes to the table to coach & someone else on the team wants to say something the shooter has to leave the table while the coach & other player talk. But in tournaments that's not allowed it's one t.o. & one coach. I believe their should be no coaching at all at anytime. Let everyone play to their true ability.
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You will get no argument from me on that. I just really have an issue with the double time out for lower players. Towards the end of the game you are not playing one person but the whole team if this coaching allows the team to conference at the table.
 
mattb said:
You will get no argument from me on that. I just really have an issue with the double time out for lower players. Towards the end of the game you are not playing one person but the whole team if this coaching allows the team to conference at the table.
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There are only so many shots on the table. It really doesnt matter how many people are involved with the conference, only one can talk to the player. The 2's and 3's that get multiple time outs aren't gonna benefit from multiple voices and opinions in any event. The simpler the better with the lower level players.

Don't stress over it.
 
mattb said:
You will get no argument from me on that. I just really have an issue with the double time out for lower players. Towards the end of the game you are not playing one person but the whole team if this coaching allows the team to conference at the table.
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I have played APA in a couple of different states and in all instances the coach was allowed to talk to other team members during the time out as long as the player was not present. The coach is the only person who can relay the information to the player; however, they were able to talk to other team members during the time out.
 
mattb said:
Where does it say this can happen? To me that contradicts the rule.
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I've noticed that every APA league has it's own set of Bylaws, Meaning that they can add or tweak certain rules. But in the tournaments they have to abide by the national rules.
 
My co-captain and I have always done the following:

One coach at the table, with the player. The coach can leave the table and confer with others, then return to the player at the table. No one other than the coach and the player should ever approach the table during a timeout.
 
mattb said:
I read the rule book handout and on the coaching section I have a question. As I interpret the rule, a player can call a time out and have 1 (one) coach. Any other coaching, wether from the same team or any other person is a ball in hand foul. Rule is as follows from the handbook:


f. Receiving illegal aid (coaching from person(s)
other than the coach) during your turn at the
table. It is not considered illegal aid to remind a
player to mark the pocket when shooting the
8-ball, or to tell a player a foul has occurred.
Anyone may do so.

The word "coach" is singular in this context. Am I correct in this?
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Only the coach is allowed at the table, but the coach may return to the "bench" and confer with anyone else on the team. The new ideas must be passed along by the coach. No other people are allowed to approach the table.

KMRUNOUT
 
mattb said:
Where does it say this can happen? To me that contradicts the rule.
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2011-2012 APA Team manual, page 26. This is in the General Rules section 11d:

d. During his turn at the table, the shooter may discuss strategy only with the coach designated for that time-out. A shooter receiving advice regarding
game strategy from a fellow player, besides his designated coach, has
committed a foul. A coach may get a group consensus from the other
players on his team and pass it on to the shooter, but only the designated
coach may pass it on. Coaching periods should not exceed oneminute.
Repeated complaints against offenders could lead to penalties.

(bold mine)

Hope this helps,

KMRUNOUT
 
KMRUNOUT said:
Only the coach is allowed at the table, but the coach may return to the "bench" and confer with anyone else on the team. The new ideas must be passed along by the coach. No other people are allowed to approach the table.

KMRUNOUT
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The absolute correct & only answer!
 
justadub said:
There are only so many shots on the table. It really doesnt matter how many people are involved with the conference, only one can talk to the player. The 2's and 3's that get multiple time outs aren't gonna benefit from multiple voices and opinions in any event. The simpler the better with the lower level players.

Don't stress over it.
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With lower handicaps simpler is definetly better. One more thing is I see so many teams calling timeouts way to early on lower handicaps, meaning that I guarantee they'll need one later in the game more then they needed it earlier. The only players who get 2 timeouts are never played APA new players.
The reason I say no t.o. for any player is because players go up fast enough on their own. You start throwing match winning t.o. In the mix with any skill level and they go up twice as fast. Then your team gets over handicapped & you have to try & find more lower handicaps. I know nobody wants to here it & I'm not bashing but It really is a pyramid business. Plus no higher handicap wants to loose to a 2 or 3 because some Joe shmo 7 calls a t.o. On their 2 & has them play a game winning def. when the 2 was thinking about trying a 6 rail bank shot.
 
Roadking said:
With lower handicaps simpler is definetly better. One more thing is I see so many teams calling timeouts way to early on lower handicaps, meaning that I guarantee they'll need one later in the game more then they needed it earlier. The only players who get 2 timeouts are never played APA new players.
The reason I say no t.o. for any player is because players go up fast enough on their own. You start throwing match winning t.o. In the mix with any skill level and they go up twice as fast. Then your team gets over handicapped & you have to try & find more lower handicaps. I know nobody wants to here it & I'm not bashing but It really is a pyramid business. Plus no higher handicap wants to loose to a 2 or 3 because some Joe shmo 7 calls a t.o. On their 2 & has them play a game winning def. when the 2 was thinking about trying a 6 rail bank shot.
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I was told new AND 3 and below players get 2 timeouts. Interesting. I do not mind losing because I usually take something from it, but I agree with another poster that there seems to be a set of "regional" rules so to speak.

Either way thanks for the discussion and answers.
 
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