APA e-mails are up, is the APA in trouble?

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Cron

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I have started to recieve about 7 e-mails a month from the APA, which is basically up 2100%. I don't necessarily want to stop receiving emails completely (which is the only option I have left), so should I weather this out? If the APA is in trouble, I get it, but if they're not then I'm spamming these, especially since I don't play in it anymore (but have friends who do and like to see how they're doing sometimes).
 

BryanB

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I'd die laughing if they were in trouble. They receive 20% of your weekly dues and pay out a fraction. You local league operators are all driving BMW's. Be sure they tell you thanks
 

APA Operator

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I think APA is just trying to communicate more, now that they have a bigger presence on mobile devices with the app and soon-to-be electronic scoring. You might contact them and let them know if you think it's too much, as I think they're trying to find a good balance.
 

CocoboloCowboy

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I'd die laughing if they were in trouble. They receive 20% of your weekly dues and pay out a fraction. You local league operators are all driving BMW's. Be sure they tell you thanks

APA is making money, League Operators are making money, Players are "supporting pool". Everyone feel good about those ideas?
 

ChicagoRJ

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I'd die laughing if they were in trouble. They receive 20% of your weekly dues and pay out a fraction. You local league operators are all driving BMW's. Be sure they tell you thanks

Then the system is working ;) If nobody makes any money then there won't be any leagues to play in. I hope my pool room owner drives a BMW or Lexus, it means his business is viable and staying in business, good for him.... No, good for us :)
 

hang-the-9

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Then the system is working ;) If nobody makes any money then there won't be any leagues to play in. I hope my pool room owner drives a BMW or Lexus, it means his business is viable and staying in business, good for him.... No, good for us :)

Are no more leagues really that bad? Replace them with local events and tournaments. I'd take a local / national pool tour over leagues.
 

skip100

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This is more likely to be an indication that they are becoming more successful and have hired someone competent and aggressive to do their email marketing.
 

jokrswylde

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Are no more leagues really that bad? Replace them with local events and tournaments. I'd take a local / national pool tour over leagues.

Yes, no more leagues really are that bad, for me and 80 or so folks that play in our league weekly. Nearest pool hall is almost an hour from me. The bars that have 2 or 3 tables where we play our league matches would not be a venue for hosting a tourney or event.
 

trob

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APA is making money, League Operators are making money, Players are "supporting pool". Everyone feel good about those ideas?

Ummm yeah. I have a good time every week. You have to pay for entertainment I guess
 

couldnthinkof01

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Are no more leagues really that bad? Replace them with local events and tournaments. I'd take a local / national pool tour over leagues.

I'm with you on this although I don't think it is viable.
Most weekly tournaments that start at 4pm
dont end until 10ish.
Most that start at 7-7:30 dont end until 1:30am or later.
Big tour events start at 12pm and go until 2am or sometimes much later.
Playing good pool for 6-8 hours or 14+ hours and
eating greasy food while drinking alcohol dont go together.

On the other hand playing mediocre to crappy pool while
having some laughs and good conversation with friends
or co- workers,:p while drinking and having some greasy goods go together like a fat kid and cake.

Those people keep the room in buisness.

I say all room owners should keep the tables in the
best shape possible.
Keep all bangers and greasy food eaters in a different
room or section.( like the old smoking sections)
Or just keep them away entirely.
Hold good tournaments every night and big ones
once or twice a month. All with good added money.
Waitress' to not look at me sideways when I order water
and ask for a fruit and veggie platter:)
And just take the loss, I mean come on. Pool players
deserve at least that much don't we?
Earl says its the hardest game in the world, we should
treat it as such;)
 

trob

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I'd die laughing if they were in trouble. They receive 20% of your weekly dues and pay out a fraction. You local league operators are all driving BMW's. Be sure they tell you thanks

They are successful business owners. I don’t care what they drive. I drive a BMW lol thank you to all the people who come and purchase things at the retailer I work at.
 

ChicagoRJ

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Are no more leagues really that bad? Replace them with local events and tournaments. I'd take a local / national pool tour over leagues.

yes, it would be bad. because 90% of those league players are not coming to tournaments on Fri and Sat night. That's a lot of folks NOT spending money on pool and soon finding something else to do. I don't even like weekend tourneys, they just take too long and I really don't want to be up till 1 or 2 in the morning to be honest.

They get out on a Mon thru Thurs when nothing is going on, hang with friends, and support pool.

They are the ones keep the pool rooms open. Oh, those Sat tourneys will NOT keep the place open by having tables sitting there all week and nobody using them. Yeah, the owner will really love that. And when he doesn't put money in the kitty for the Saturday tourney, folks will b1tch about that. So, he's got to pay for the privilege of folks showing up for a tourney. And when the 2 and out, they are not spending much money.
 

BryanB

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Complete opposite. Just have bitter dealings with APA and they way they operate
 

atlas333

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Constant Contact

They are using Constant Contact for their email marketing. And it does not seem to be too aggressive.
 

CocoboloCowboy

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Ummm yeah. I have a good time every week. You have to pay for entertainment I guess


Your point is valid but, I would rather play in a bar tournament, with a $5.00 - $7.00 entry, where you had a chance to cover expenses, and go home with a few bucks. Then be in a APA league with trophies as a prize for being a winner.
 

Scott Lee

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BryanB...This shows your ignorance about the APA. MAYBE 10% of APA LO's are doing well (having more than 200+ teams). The rest are struggling to make some kind of living offering a playing opportunity for those that want it. Your statement is just another opportunity to bash the APA...which is still the largest league in the world.

Scott Lee
Director, SPF National Pool School Tour

I'd die laughing if they were in trouble. They receive 20% of your weekly dues and pay out a fraction. You local league operators are all driving BMW's. Be sure they tell you thanks
 

SBC

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Ok...indulge the middle aged guy a moment.

I'm in Syracuse.

We had rooms 25 years back with 70 player weekly tournaments. 6 rooms within 30 minutes. You could play tournaments 6 nights a week. Rooms didn't compete over tournament days. Rooms collaborated to have big weekend regional tournaments...no tournament directors taking 30 percent.

Even 10 years back we had 3 rooms that all cooperated and weeknight tournaments would exceed 30. No real players even looked at bar tables and most rooms didn't even have them.

Last few years it's all APA. Rooms are pitted against one another and some excluded entirely. This has been done in Syracuse, Utica, Binghamton and Rochester. All for what ??? Money Money Money.

The APA doesn't care about the history of this game. The rooms that have been hurt by league ops pulling teams. Long as the money keeps rolling in...that is all that matters.

Sad part is most APA players have no idea what a pool hall really was about because they haven't been exposed to it. I've got men playing out of my room who have shot pool together for 65 years. People learning and enjoying all games played on full sized equipment.

I really think the future of pool is losing the identity that made it great. I'm still along for the ride, just don't think I'm going to like the destination.

I'd say the APA pulls a minimum of 15 million a year. That money is not reinvested in the game. Renting a bunch of Valleys and cutting deals with casinos that host events is not promoting anything. Nobody cares if Joe Blow from Idaho wins 10k in prizes at a National.
 
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HQueen

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Most pool hall owners are dependent on leagues to bring in business. I have been in the APA for 26 years. Missed about 10 year stretch up to about 3 years ago and got back in. It’s a reason for me to get out of the house one night a week. Have some fun, play a little , usually some good competition at my level.

APA is a business. Some people that complain about it don’t understand businesses have to make a profit. If you don’t like it then don’t play. It keeps our sport alive and helps bring in new players.
 
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