APA Jump rules
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ohhh that is so slick. I really like where this is going 
mongoose-
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I haven't played the APA for a while but if I remember correct jump shots & jump cues are allowed... it is up to the establishment whether or not they can be used there due to wear & tear of the cloth. Now i'm not 100% positive of this in normal league play but I do know in the masters in Vegas we was allowed to use jump cues.
This is headed in a negative way big time. But if your opponet hooks you and you come to table with your break stick with phenolic tip that is totaly legit. If you use the break cue though you have to finish out the rack with it is my understanding. Trust me you dont want a rule like this in Vegas APA though as there are pros there yearly in the minis and 3 man tournys you dont want to have this rule in place. Just my 2 cents worth.
Sorry I should have worded the question better.
Are you allowed to change the tip on your cue in an APA match play.
I don't mean slip another tip over the existing ferrule and tip. I am refuring to replacing the existing tip with another.
The ferrule is not changed, like the old screw on tips but one that is phenolic or a legal jump material, assuming the table rules allows jump shots.
Neil
Are you allowed to change the tip on your cue in an APA match play.
I don't mean slip another tip over the existing ferrule and tip. I am refuring to replacing the existing tip with another.
The ferrule is not changed, like the old screw on tips but one that is phenolic or a legal jump material, assuming the table rules allows jump shots.
Neil
conetip said:
I don't think this is covered in the APA rule book,I don't have a rule book anymore since I don't play APA anymore.I do know that you can not use a jump stick,you have to use the full cue and you cannot break it down(unsrcew),so, I would think if you can't unscrew your j/b cue for a jump, you couldn't do the tip neither. I am only 98.3% sure though....Ron
sk8ordie said:
BCA rules for equipment.
POOL CUE SPECIFICATIONS:
Player may bring a maximum of 3 cue sticks to a match.
Width of tip: 9 mm minimum / 14 mm maximum
Weight: no minimum / 25 oz. maximum
Length: 40 inches minimum / no maximum
The cue tip may not be of a material that can scratch or damage the addressed ball. The cue tip on any stick must be composed of a piece of specially processed leather or other fibrous or pliable material that extends the natural line of the shaft end of the cue and contacts the cue ball when the shot is executed.
Ferrule, if of a metal material, may not be more than 1 inch in length.
The cue tip on any stick used to perform a legal jump shot must be composed of either a leather or synthetic leather material.
From the APA rules 2008-2010
33. EQUIPMENT
In general, any piece of equipment designed specifically for pocket billiards,
with the exception of jump cues and laser devices, is acceptable in APA
League play. Special equipment, such as bridges and cue extenders, are legal.
Jump shots are legal, when executed properly (see JUMP SHOTS described
in Definitions), but such shots must be attempted using your regular game
cue (see REGULAR GAME CUE described in Definitions). Those cues
especially designed for jump shots MAY NOT be used in competition.
Players are not allowed to break their cues down to attempt jump shots.
*Any piece of equipment not covered by this rule and in question will be ruled
upon by APA. Cues with moveable parts will generally NOT be allowed.
As you can see it is vague. As there are many people who still use cues that have screw on tips. As you can see, you are not allowed to break the cue, I think refering to shortening or reducing the total cue weight.
But there is no mention of the tip.
Neil
APA Jumping
I have been a Ref. at the APA Nationals for the past two years. Rules for 2007 allowed jumpshots using any full length cue. The rule for 2008 thru 2010 states that you must use your regular playing cue. This rule is listed in the general rule section #33 titled Equipment. The rule further states "Any piece of equipment in question and not covered will be ruled upon by the APA".
So, if you have some cue that has a quick release tip or something it probably should be "ruled upon' by the APA. My guess is they will say your original playing cue needs to stay in it's original configuration. Changing the tip or changing the shaft or changing the cue are really all the same IMHO.
Why the rule against using jump cues? Imagine you own a pool hall and every APA SL3 is waking in with their jump cue for league night, yes, ripped cloth all over town.
I have been a Ref. at the APA Nationals for the past two years. Rules for 2007 allowed jumpshots using any full length cue. The rule for 2008 thru 2010 states that you must use your regular playing cue. This rule is listed in the general rule section #33 titled Equipment. The rule further states "Any piece of equipment in question and not covered will be ruled upon by the APA".
So, if you have some cue that has a quick release tip or something it probably should be "ruled upon' by the APA. My guess is they will say your original playing cue needs to stay in it's original configuration. Changing the tip or changing the shaft or changing the cue are really all the same IMHO.
Why the rule against using jump cues? Imagine you own a pool hall and every APA SL3 is waking in with their jump cue for league night, yes, ripped cloth all over town.
Thankyou Bigkahuna.
I have tried to email the APA but have not had any reply.
I can understand not letting beginers jump on the tables.
But say a level 6 or 7 would be more than capable of jumping without putting a tear in the cloth.
Is there any way that I can get a confirmation on the ruling.
Screw on tips are not new, just not mentioned in any rule that I can find.
Thankyou to all who have commented and put in some input.
Neil
I have tried to email the APA but have not had any reply.
I can understand not letting beginers jump on the tables.
But say a level 6 or 7 would be more than capable of jumping without putting a tear in the cloth.
Is there any way that I can get a confirmation on the ruling.
Screw on tips are not new, just not mentioned in any rule that I can find.
Thankyou to all who have commented and put in some input.
Neil
conetip said:
Again, I do not think this is going to go your way and it would be best to get a ruling from the national office but your LO can also create by-laws if he does not agree with a national ruling.
Jump cues are allowed in the Masters format which is usually the better players although there is no handicap criterea.
At the end of the quoted rule it does say cues with removable parts are generally not allowed.
ronhudson said:
I stand corrected. Then I wonder if this clause would apply to screw on tips.
Thankyou all for the comments.
At this point in time I will not be changeing the tips during a match.
That way I won't be causing any rifts.
Thanks again,
Neil
Here is the official reply from APA.
Thank you for contacting the APA National Office with your inquiry regarding changing out the tips of your playing cue. At this time we are not allowing the tips to be changed out, as it changes the shooting characteristics of the playing cue. Along with changing the characteristics, it could cause unnecessary sportsmanship violations.
At this point in time I will not be changeing the tips during a match.
That way I won't be causing any rifts.
Thanks again,
Neil
Here is the official reply from APA.
Thank you for contacting the APA National Office with your inquiry regarding changing out the tips of your playing cue. At this time we are not allowing the tips to be changed out, as it changes the shooting characteristics of the playing cue. Along with changing the characteristics, it could cause unnecessary sportsmanship violations.
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