APA Las Vegas trips, how does your region do it?

D_Lewis

D_Lewis

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They book for you?
Book for yourself?
Give you the money and you're on your own? How much?
What if you cant go, do you get a cash payout?
On multiple teams that are going to vegas? cash payouts? Getting the shaft?

Input please! Very unique situation around here happened.

Thanks!
-dan
 
D_Lewis said:
They book for you?
Book for yourself?
Give you the money and you're on your own? How much?
What if you cant go, do you get a cash payout?
On multiple teams that are going to vegas? cash payouts? Getting the shaft?

Input please! Very unique situation around here happened.

Thanks!
-dan
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They gave us the money and we had to book ourselves. The payout was $4800 split between 8 people. Not bad but could be better considering the 8 ball tournament is a week long.

If you can't go you forfeit the money and it gets distributed to the other players. The money is ONLY for the trip and is not a cash prize for winning the states.

Hope this helps.
Koop
 
It does help, thank you for your input. I know depending on how far you have to travel, the cost of the flights are significantly different.

If your flights and hotel cost you 3000 total, you just split the 1800 amongst the players, correct?
 
D_Lewis said:
It does help, thank you for your input. I know depending on how far you have to travel, the cost of the flights are significantly different.

If your flights and hotel cost you 3000 total, you just split the 1800 amongst the players, correct?
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What we did was split it 8 ways so that each player got 600 a piece. From there we just booked the best deals we could on our own.

Now, if someone wasn't going, the 4800 would have been split 7 ways.
 
So you as a team decide to cut one of your own players out of the deal, correct? Not saying its not the right thing to do, but really, you use their share of the cash to pay for the others. Again, nothing wrong with that, just seeing how everyone else does it. I'll post later on today what has happened around here.

What about the other questions, if you won both 8 and 9, would you have got $9600 for your teams trip?

What if NONE of your players wanted to go? Just take $600 each or does the league OP keep it and say screw you guys?
 
In MD, each team that makes it to vegas gets $5000. If you are on multiple teams, you get however much money you are entitled to for each team. Each ELIGIBLE member of the team has check made out to them, ie if 7 people are eligible to go each perts about $700. From there they are on their own.

However, if someone gets the money but doesn't go and doesn't return the money, they are prohibited from going again unless they pay the money back.
 
D_Lewis said:
So you as a team decide to cut one of your own players out of the deal, correct? Not saying its not the right thing to do, but really, you use their share of the cash to pay for the others. Again, nothing wrong with that, just seeing how everyone else does it. I'll post later on today what has happened around here.

What about the other questions, if you won both 8 and 9, would you have got $9600 for your teams trip?

What if NONE of your players wanted to go? Just take $600 each or does the league OP keep it and say screw you guys?
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No, it's a league thing. Don't go don't get the money.
If you won both you would get whatever the payout is for each. Usually less for 9 ball.
If no one wanted to go you would forfeit the money and it would probably be dusbursed to the other teams that made it from your area.
 
MBTaylor said:
In MD, each team that makes it to vegas gets $5000. If you are on multiple teams, you get however much money you are entitled to for each team. Each ELIGIBLE member of the team has check made out to them, ie if 7 people are eligible to go each perts about $700. From there they are on their own.

However, if someone gets the money but doesn't go and doesn't return the money, they are prohibited from going again unless they pay the money back.
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So you HAVE to go or you get $0? We also have some other issues with border crossing and whatnot, passport issues that US citizens would not have.
 
Koop said:
No, it's a league thing. Don't go don't get the money.
If you won both you would get whatever the payout is for each. Usually less for 9 ball.
If no one wanted to go you would forfeit the money and it would probably be dusbursed to the other teams that made it from your area.
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Is it set out before you play that if you dont go, you get nothing? Or is that a good surprise at the end? Like if you had a woman on your team who was pregnant and couldnt fly, would she be forced to go or would she be offered a cash payout? Or a guy who couldnt take time off of work to take the trip, he's left in the cold?
 
D_Lewis said:
Is it set out before you play that if you dont go, you get nothing? Or is that a good surprise at the end? Like if you had a woman on your team who was pregnant and couldnt fly, would she be forced to go or would she be offered a cash payout? Or a guy who couldnt take time off of work to take the trip, he's left in the cold?
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Sadly, yes to both of those. You don't go you forfeit the money.

Regards,
Koop
 
Koop said:
Sadly, yes to both of those. You don't go you forfeit the money.

Regards,
Koop
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If thats the way it is, its the way it is, right?

BUT! If you won both 8 and 9 you would get a double payout and really only have to pay a bit more for the extra 3 hotel days (if you won 8 and 9, its 10 combined hotel days, 8 is 7 and 9 is 5 seperate)
 
Our league, just pays out from the city champion on down to 3rd place.

I haven't gone yet, but I believe the city champion team gets $10,000 split amongst the team, with the team booking transportation and lodging.

Our L.O. has said that he has structured the payout to allow the city champions players to pay for all the basic necessities on the trip.

Hope this helps.
 
The main point of the funds is to get teams to go to Vegas.

In my former area (near Denver), the LO would offer however much to his teams qualified for Vegas - part of it was given to the teams ahead of time, with the idea that it would be used for travel/lodging expenses. The remainder (a significant chunk but not the majority, IIRC) would be handed to the teams *in Vegas* - if your team ended up not going, they wouldn't get the extra funds.

Said franchise changed hands around 1.5 years ago, so I have no idea how the new LOs handle the whole Vegas thing now.

I've heard of other LOs who do *nothing*, funds-wise, for their Vegas-bound teams. I've known teams who are qualified who do fund-raising things to be able to make the trip. (Kathy, and you know who you are, pipe up on this :D)
 
Around here, our league OP books our trip. Costs about $600-800ish per player. (expensive flights from around here, we actually fly from Buffalo)

If you cant go on the trip or choose not to, she offers you a buy out of $500 if you have played 2/3 sessions that year. If not, she gives you $250. This is going to be changed next year to the cost of the flight only, if the flight is $200, thats what you get unless you've only played one session, then you get half of that. Far cry from the $600 PLUS it would have cost them to pay for the trip.

Keep them coming, trying to see how everyone else gets on.
 
D_Lewis said:
If thats the way it is, its the way it is, right?

BUT! If you won both 8 and 9 you would get a double payout and really only have to pay a bit more for the extra 3 hotel days (if you won 8 and 9, its 10 combined hotel days, 8 is 7 and 9 is 5 seperate)
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Correct.

If you won both you would get whatever funds are set aside for each. Usually a little a less for 9 ball because it's a shorter trip but you should get two sets of checks.
 
Koop said:
Sadly, yes to both of those. You don't go you forfeit the money.

Regards,
Koop
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In our area, if the team goes (meaning 4+ players), then the team gets the full payout. Chicago was this way, also.

Once the team gets the payout then the team decides how to split it up. And I can't see any way the APA could make it otherwise. How could they prevent you from giving a player some money?

On my team, we were having varying amounts of commitment for the tri-annuals and even the LVQ (giving up a full weekend can be tough). Some players were staying for the duration every day, and some only playing on one day, and some bailed entirely. So I created a "share" system (these are from memory and the actual formula may be a little different):

1 share per match attended in tri-annuals (all that mattered is that you be in the building, you didn't have to play).
2 shares per match attended in the LVQ.
10 shares for going to Las Vegas.

Each player gets paid a percentage of the pot equal to their percentage of the total shares available. If there are 80 total shares and a player has 10, then they get .125*$5,000; a player who attended more matches and has 20 shares would get .25*$5,000 and so on.

In this system if a player supports the team through the tri-annual and LVQ, but can't go to Vegas, they still get some money.

Cory

P.S. To answer the other part of the question, we book the flights and once we have 4 receipts, we send them to the local APA and they send us a check. They book the hotel if you're staying at the Riv; if not, then they just give you the money.
 
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In past years my League operator didn't trust some of the teams so he made them bring him the receipts so he could see that they are going or he would make them pay for the stuff and then bring him the receipt and he would reimburse him.

We have 3 8ball teams going from the area and they each get $5,800. He gave me a check for $5,800 and I got 7 plane tickets and hotel rooms and we still have $300 each per person spending money (we only have 7 players on the team and we are all going).
 
stevea said:
In past years my League operator didn't trust some of the teams so he made them bring him the receipts so he could see that they are going or he would make them pay for the stuff and then bring him the receipt and he would reimburse him.

We have 3 8ball teams going from the area and they each get $5,800. He gave me a check for $5,800 and I got 7 plane tickets and hotel rooms and we still have $300 each per person spending money (we only have 7 players on the team and we are all going).
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Hypothetically speaking, what if you guys won both 8 ball and 9 ball?
 
Koop said:
They gave us the money and we had to book ourselves. The payout was $4800 split between 8 people. Not bad but could be better considering the 8 ball tournament is a week long.

If you can't go you forfeit the money and it gets distributed to the other players. The money is ONLY for the trip and is not a cash prize for winning the states.

Hope this helps.
Koop
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Same deal with us. Cost me $400 for the flight alone. If the HR didn't come in for free rooms, I would have been stuck at Circus Circus. Ugh.

tim
 
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