I'm a 7 in 9-ball. I think that's accurate, although I have been playing like crap lately.
APA Members! What is your rating, and do you feel like it is accurate?
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I'm a 3, I beat most 3's I play, I have been a 3 for over 2 years and have never been higher then that. As a 3 I play a lot of 4&5's. I win some and loose some but win almost always against 3's. I can't figure it out. I guess every 20 games players get there stats reviewed to determine whether they go up or down. By mine and many others estimates I could easily complete as a 4. I have a team mate who was a 3 and lost for months on end and went up. I think overall its ok but there are exceptions.
man i would love to have you on my team lol. i have 3-3's on my team and they are the weakest in the division. 2's beat them regularly. just a few weeks ago i had a 2 beat one of my 3's 18-2.
They have me as 7 in eight ball,
and 9 in nine ball.
I don't know if that's entirely accurate. The 8 ball rating is fine, but in 9 ball,
I think my rating might be inflated because the room doesn't have a ton of strong players.
As a 7 I had a lot of innings and very few runouts (and people forget to mark them anyway).
But I had a very high win rate for a while. As a 9, the win rate has taken a nosedive
and I'm still no threat to put a 3-pack on anyone.
I guess as long as my win rate hovers around 50%, the rating is fair,
no matter what I think about it.
and 9 in nine ball.
I don't know if that's entirely accurate. The 8 ball rating is fine, but in 9 ball,
I think my rating might be inflated because the room doesn't have a ton of strong players.
As a 7 I had a lot of innings and very few runouts (and people forget to mark them anyway).
But I had a very high win rate for a while. As a 9, the win rate has taken a nosedive
and I'm still no threat to put a 3-pack on anyone.
I guess as long as my win rate hovers around 50%, the rating is fair,
no matter what I think about it.
Silly question. How can one intentionally end their inning early (42) more times than they were at the table (38)?
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In my league I am a decent 5, but I still miss a lot of shots, even ones that are very makeable. While in Vegas, I played a 4 that only missed one makeable ball in the entire match. Did he have a great game? Or is he capable of doing that kind of shooting when he chooses? I have had a few matches where I shot like that, but it is not very often. The times I do, everyone complains I am under rated. I have played 3s that also missed fewer shots during the match than I did. It is frustrating, but mostly because my play is not more consistent. I think I should be a 4 because of my ability to miss so many shots, but I win a lot because I try to control the table layout, not just make balls.
Couple of things to remember about APA.
Each franchise is an individual business and, as we all know, each individual has their own scruples. There are going to be bad LOs. There are also going to be LOs who happen to make a bad decision here and there. These are unfortunate.
If you're in a traveling division (which most are), you only see your opponents once or twice per session. The handicap is based off of an average and it's tough to know how a player shoots on average if you only see them once or twice per session. Sure, we all have stellar nights. We also have particularly sucky nights. It's the LO (and their software) that looks at the averages of our play.
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Each franchise is an individual business and, as we all know, each individual has their own scruples. There are going to be bad LOs. There are also going to be LOs who happen to make a bad decision here and there. These are unfortunate.
If you're in a traveling division (which most are), you only see your opponents once or twice per session. The handicap is based off of an average and it's tough to know how a player shoots on average if you only see them once or twice per session. Sure, we all have stellar nights. We also have particularly sucky nights. It's the LO (and their software) that looks at the averages of our play.
Remember: This is pool and we play pool for fun!
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Theoretically, they can play a safe or just attempt a hit, but can continue shoting if a ball falls, then do it again until their turn is over. Usually it just means the other team is being a bunch of twits.
The fact that Dave M is a SL5 should tell you all you need to know about the APA handicap system. :grin-square: 5's should not be running racks. Maybe lucking one every once in a while after making 4 balls on the break yeah but not on a normal basis.
My understanding of the handicap system is as others have stated that it is more based on the innings totals. I don't think win/loss has anything to do with it. We have a guy who was just increased to a SL6 this week and has only won 3 of the 11 matches he's played this session. Also, defensive shots reduce you innings count as far as the handicap system mathematical formulas go I believe.
Yeah this is a whole nuther issue entirely. I'm a SL6. Probably a C/C+ player on average. Haven't been playing APA for long but the disparity in the 7's I've seen has been crazy. One guy in our division is nearly an open level player while others I could probably beat 9 times out of 10 in a race to 7 or 9 and have no business being a SL7.
My understanding of the handicap system is as others have stated that it is more based on the innings totals. I don't think win/loss has anything to do with it. We have a guy who was just increased to a SL6 this week and has only won 3 of the 11 matches he's played this session. Also, defensive shots reduce you innings count as far as the handicap system mathematical formulas go I believe.
Yeah this is a whole nuther issue entirely. I'm a SL6. Probably a C/C+ player on average. Haven't been playing APA for long but the disparity in the 7's I've seen has been crazy. One guy in our division is nearly an open level player while others I could probably beat 9 times out of 10 in a race to 7 or 9 and have no business being a SL7.
I think most people just like to complain. IF scorekeeping isn't done properly then there is no room for complaints. You have to mark defense and innings correctly, cause if the 2 is winning matches but taking 7-10 innings and wins via Early 8ball, etc, then they are not likely they're going to move up for a while. But if they are playing 3-4 unmarked safes then how can their handicap be properly adjusted?
Regarding sandbagging I think it's more difficult than most people claim it to be (unless you are just telling a player to lose) as most people aren't going to be able to run up more innings and still be able to come out victorious.
I play APA as a 7 in Colorado and probably accurate, as far as the people who play APA here go. There's several people who play stronger but don't play APA.
Regarding sandbagging I think it's more difficult than most people claim it to be (unless you are just telling a player to lose) as most people aren't going to be able to run up more innings and still be able to come out victorious.
I play APA as a 7 in Colorado and probably accurate, as far as the people who play APA here go. There's several people who play stronger but don't play APA.
From what I know the scores are based off of the BEST 10 of your last 20 matches. It is determined by the number of innings that you have per game. Any safeties (and this is crucial to the proper handicapping of players) are calculated out of that total number of innings. If you are not marking down defensive shots (ANY SHOT THAT THE INTENTION IS NOT TO POCKET A BALL) then you are part of the problem. If you are not accurately scoring then how can you expect someones rating to be accurate? Most of the time teams make the lowest handicapped person keep score and they, for the most part, do not know when or in a lot of cases WHAT a defensive shot is. So you 's 5's and 6's that think you are too good to keep score, you are perpetuating the problem.
I just started TAP. After one match that I won 3-0, I got ranked as a 7.4 which I was told was the top handicap in our city. I know I'm not the best player in TAP in our city, and I think I'm the only 7 now. The guy I played was a decent player but ended up missing towards the last few balls and once he missed the 8. Left me run outs during my turn. I guess they can only go by that one score, but they should use several matches to get your handicap rating, not your first one.
Many good players can tell how good a person plays by HOW they play not just how many balls they can make in a rack. If a 4 runs out a full rack (it can happen I'm sure), did he get out of line a ton and have to make tough shots? Did he crap in balls? Or did he fall more or less in line and shot what looked to be good 2 way shots where you were in trouble if he missed?
If your new to tap your SL will fluctuate until you get an average of scores. It also depends a bit on the competition in your league. I can't say enough good things about the tap league, a true match rating is achieved through their marking system accounting for all the balls. I still don't know how the apa/cpa can give a true rating with ticks for innings. Just my opinion though I'm sure some apa enthusiasts will disagree.
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Nothing silly about it. These were some angry people and it appeared to me they weren't thinking clearly, or at least the score keeper and captain weren't thinking clearly. This just illustrates the desperation that some teams have and maybe why at times score sheets can be, from time to time, a little inaccurate. Our LO said it wasn't mentioned at the time because "I saw no need to escalate the situation, and besides it wasn't going to change anything". In retrospect it was probably a wise choice to just let them vent for a minute or two. After we saw the score sheet we also wondered how you could have more safes than actual innings. We let it go and everyone got a beer
I've been playing in the USAPL league for a while, and I think they have the best handicap system. It goes from 30-125 so it's very granular. In APA/TAP/BCA you can have 4 top ranked players, but they are all skill levels apart. One can be a B+, another can be an A, another an A-, etc... In USAPL you'd have a B+ as a 90, A- as a 100ish, Mid A to A+ as a 125, so the ranges still give you a spot when facing better players. There is also no inning count, only misses and balls pocketed.
In Ontario Canada we have no USPL. The USPL system does sounds pretty accurate. One question though.. 7.4 rating in TAP? I've never heard of that. You can score as high as 10 but the highest achievable handicap is 7. I do agree, as in our league we have a couple 7's that play like short stops and we have 7's that are B players so I know exactly what your mean with having a spectrum of 7's. They used to make the top 7's play as 8's to level out the playing field in tournaments.. Either way the only way to make it more accurate in TAP is to have a range from 1-10 so if you shoot 8.4 then your an 8 not a 7..
Well, technically I'm a 7, but I guess they do have more accurate handicap levels. A good friend of mine who is a bit better than me maxed out as a 7.1 and is a 6 now. Which is why I thought that the system needs to wait a few matches to give a rating.
If you put me up as an even race to 3 vs a C- player, I'll look like a god to their ratings hehe.