APA Members! What is your rating, and do you feel like it is accurate?

[jailer12]

I am a 7 in apa 8ball . In 9ball i am a 8 . Now i belieave i should be a 7 in 8ball and a 6 in 9 ball. I do not play nine ball very well just don't like the game over all. The first night i played apa 9ball i played really well i broke the balls and every ball was sitting in a pocket so it was child play to run out. I got a skunk patch moved from a 4 to a 8 in one week. But never had that luck again at 9 ball. I have a few player on my team that skill level doesn't match the ability at the table forsure. One is a 5 he really play like a 3 . If it was not for the time out he loss most of his matches. The other player is a 4 and should be a 3 . Her game has really slid over the last two years in 8 ball. I think some our were they should be and some our over rated and some our very under rated. My captaion on thur is a 5 but should be a 7 or forsure a 6 in 8ball. He playes a lot of ining and tryies to make the matches close so he won't go up. He was once a very strong 6 and held that for 2 plus years. But for some player the system is moving them up unfairly and other not that should be.

 

[Cornerman]

I should be an SL-4 in 9-ball and 8-ball.

 

[Cornerman]

I just started TAP.

I know I'm not the best player in TAP in our city, and I think I'm the only 7 now. .

I'm going to call you local TAP league so he can bump you to an 8 so you're not the only 7 anymore.

Freddie <~~~ hope that helps

 

[smenzel]

Theoretically, they can play a safe or just attempt a hit, but can continue shoting if a ball falls, then do it again until their turn is over. Usually it just means the other team is being a bunch of twits.

I hear you, Banks. But, if a player pockets a ball, even unintentionally, how does that count as 'intentionally ending their turn'? They're still shooting so their turn at the table isn't over.

 

[Banks]

I hear you, Banks. But, if a player pockets a ball, even unintentionally, how does that count as 'intentionally ending their turn'? They're still shooting so their turn at the table isn't over.

That's not the definition of a safety. A safety/defensive shot is any shot in which the opponent is not trying to pocket a ball. There have been plenty of times I've tried to bank a ball somewhere to try to put the CB in a spot, only to have the ball fall in. That still counts as a safety, which means my next shot I could play another.

 

[buckshotshoey]

My captaion on thur is a 5 but should be a 7 or forsure a 6 in 8ball. He playes a lot of ining and tryies to make the matches close so he won't go up. He was once a very strong 6 and held that for 2 plus years. But for some player the system is moving them up unfairly and other not that should be.

I prob shouldn't post this...but here it goes. This info is 10 or more years old so it may not be 100 accurate....but it should be.....

Say, for instance, you are six and are afraid of going up to a 7. You know the cut off for being a 7 is 2 innings per win or less. You play good enough to win but pad the innings to make sure your score for that match is over 2.0 innings per win.

Your league operator inputs a score for you of say....5 games in 17 innings with 2 safeties. Since safeties dont count you won 5 games in 15 innings. 3 innings per win. The APA system will give an applied score based on your winning percentage instead of the 3 innings per win you worked so hard to get. The applied score is used for every match you win for which there is more innings then your skill level indicates. A side effect of the applied score is that's its next to imposible to go down in handicap and still maintain a winnings percentage of 50 percent or greater.

Here are the applied scores for a 6 (skill level/win percentage) .

Win % / applied score
For a 6.... .
100. / 2.1
. 90 / 2.1
. 80 / 2.2
. 70 / 2.3
60 / 2.4
50 / 2.5
40 / 2.6
30 / 2.7
20 / 2.8
10 / 2.9
The score being added counts toward the winning percentage. Here is an example using the chart above...say you are a you are a 6 with a 90% winning percentage.
You beat a 5 with a score of 5 to 2 in 17 innings with 2 safeties. Since safeties don't count, your league opperator will enter you won in 15 iinnings. The software will compute innings per win and come up with 3 innings per win. Then the software notices you have a 90% win percentage and that your applied score is 2.1. That 2.1 is what will get entered in your records. It wouldn't matter if you took 100 inning to beat the guy, 2.1 is what is entered, because you won...and shot worse then your winning percentage.

Applied score are only used for wins, so if you lose that match, say 4 to 4 (above example), in 17 innings with 2 safeties, then 3.75 is what is entered in your records (15 innings divided by 4 wins). Hope this helps you understand a little.

 

[hang-the-9]

I'm going to call you local TAP league so he can bump you to an 8 so you're not the only 7 anymore.

Freddie <~~~ hope that helps

But.. but.. then I'll be the only 8! I don't know if I like your logic. You spending too much time in the Florida sun without a hat?

 

[smenzel]

That's not the definition of a safety. A safety/defensive shot is any shot in which the opponent is not trying to pocket a ball. There have been plenty of times I've tried to bank a ball somewhere to try to put the CB in a spot, only to have the ball fall in. That still counts as a safety, which means my next shot I could play another.

Thanks, Banks. I hear what you're saying and I understand your logic. It's just that I read the definition a little differently from you. Either that or you're intentionally overlooking the fact that you have to "deliberately miss" for it to be a defensive shot.

From page 62 ...

“A Defensive Shot is a shot where the shooter deliberately misses so as to pass his turn at the table to his opponent. ”

Excerpt From: American Poolplayers - The APA. “Official APA/CPA Pool Leagues Team Manual.” iBooks. https://itun.es/us/BUZeI.l

 

[Banks]

Thanks, Banks. I hear what you're saying and I understand your logic. It's just that I read the definition a little differently from you. Either that or you're intentionally overlooking the fact that you have to "deliberately miss" for it to be a defensive shot.

From page 62 ...

“A Defensive Shot is a shot where the shooter deliberately misses so as to pass his turn at the table to his opponent. ”

Excerpt From: American Poolplayers - The APA. “Official APA/CPA Pool Leagues Team Manual.” iBooks. https://itun.es/us/BUZeI.l

I tried to pull up the link, but iTunes can bite me. I went to the APA site and there's a little blurb on there about 8b and 9b defensive shots. I was under the wrong impression for quite some time, thinking pretty much what you quoted above.

 

[buckshotshoey]

I tried to pull up the link, but iTunes can bite me. I went to the APA site and there's a little blurb on there about 8b and 9b defensive shots. I was under the wrong impression for quite some time, thinking pretty much what you quoted above.

My league area has what is know as a scorekeeping clinic. We will be getting our whole team to the next one. All who participate receive a certified score keepers patch and the team gets bonus points depending on how many on The team are certified. Talk to your league operator if you don't have a clinic set up. I think its a great idea. To many misinterpretations of the rules and keeping score in general. The APA is trying to do something about it.

 

[Banks]

My league area has what is know as a scorekeeping clinic. We will be getting our whole team to the next one. All who participate receive a certified score keepers patch and the team gets bonus points depending on how many on The team are certified. Talk to your league operator if you don't have a clinic set up. I think its a great idea. To many misinterpretations of the rules and keeping score in general. The APA is trying to do something about it.

Our LO is always sending out things with the weekly paperwork, including stuff about keeping score and sportsmanship. Unfortunately, you still have people that are unwilling or unable to understand. I feel most or almost all ratings are pretty accurate, no matter how much people want to claim to be better or worse than they are.

 

[buckshotshoey]

I prob shouldn't post this...but here it goes. This info is 10 or more years old so it may not be 100 accurate....but it should be.....

Say, for instance, you are six and are afraid of going up to a 7. You know the cut off for being a 7 is 2 innings per win or less. You play good enough to win but pad the innings to make sure your score for that match is over 2.0 innings per win.

Your league operator inputs a score for you of say....5 games in 17 innings with 2 safeties. Since safeties dont count you won 5 games in 15 innings. 3 innings per win. The APA system will give an applied score based on your winning percentage instead of the 3 innings per win you worked so hard to get. The applied score is used for every match you win for which there is more innings then your skill level indicates. A side effect of the applied score is that's its next to imposible to go down in handicap and still maintain a winnings percentage of 50 percent or greater.

Here are the applied scores for a 6 (skill level/win percentage) .

Win % / applied score
For a 6.... .
100. / 2.1
. 90 / 2.1
. 80 / 2.2
. 70 / 2.3
60 / 2.4
50 / 2.5
40 / 2.6
30 / 2.7
20 / 2.8
10 / 2.9
The score being added counts toward the winning percentage. Here is an example using the chart above...say you are a you are a 6 with a 90% winning percentage.
You beat a 5 with a score of 5 to 2 in 17 innings with 2 safeties. Since safeties don't count, your league opperator will enter you won in 15 iinnings. The software will compute innings per win and come up with 3 innings per win. Then the software notices you have a 90% win percentage and that your applied score is 2.1. That 2.1 is what will get entered in your records. It wouldn't matter if you took 100 inning to beat the guy, 2.1 is what is entered, because you won...and shot worse then your winning percentage.

Applied score are only used for wins, so if you lose that match, say 4 to 4 (above example), in 17 innings with 2 safeties, then 3.75 is what is entered in your records (15 innings divided by 4 wins). Hope this helps you understand a little.

Here is an addition to my post.
Lets say in my example above you win 4 of the games in 8 innings with one safety.....but still lose the match. The ones you won are used toward your handicap. In this case, 4 games won in 7 innings (subtracting the safety). That comes to 1.75 innings per win. If this becomes one of you best ten out of last twenty, that's how you can lose and still go up.

 

[rjb1168]

7 - 8 ball / 7 - 9 ball / accurate - yes

 

[RFranklin]

SL Accuracy

When I lose I am WAY over ranked. Catch me on the other nights. Fortunately (for my teammates) that happens more often. :wink:

 

[lorider]

When I lose I am WAY over ranked. Catch me on the other nights. Fortunately (for my teammates) that happens more often. :wink:

i know what you mean. some nights i play like a 3 and then other nights i play like a 7. guess that averages out to the 5 they have me ranked at.:grin-square:

 

[smenzel]

My league area has what is know as a scorekeeping clinic. We will be getting our whole team to the next one. All who participate receive a certified score keepers patch and the team gets bonus points depending on how many on The team are certified. Talk to your league operator if you don't have a clinic set up. I think its a great idea. To many misinterpretations of the rules and keeping score in general. The APA is trying to do something about it.

That's a great idea. I'm going to bring this up with my LO and see what we can do to get this going in our league. Thanks for sharing.

 

[SKJoss72]

I bounce between a 6 and 7 in 8 ball. and just started 9 ball as a 6 (only played 6 matches 4 I won and 2 lost). I think they are close to being accurate. I belive maybe I shoul be a 7 in both tho.

So I was a 7 for like 3 years and maintained about a 60% win perc. and then I went on a losing streak loseing 37 out of 55 matches. and I still didnt drop. so I started to question this and the LO said my inning were still 7 like. Im thinking with all these losses and not dropping I should be a semi pro. WTF

so I go down to a 6 for 4 matches ad the LO tells a teammate (who was div. rep) that Im gonna go back to a 7 . at this point Im ok with it because my head was out of my ass. so I go back up and lose a match on a Scratch on the 8. I go back to a 6 and have been racklss nighting 6's and 5's quite often. this season ive had 4 B&r's an 2 B&r scratches on the8 in 1 season , and still dint go up.

The reason i said all of this was it seemed funny to me that I got stuck back as a 6 and now have to listen people *****ing about sandbagging. when clearly my stats should put me back up? What do you think?

 

[lewis_rva]

I'm ranked a 7 in 8 ball and a 9 in 9 ball. The 8 ball rank is accurate. In 9 ball it's probably right as well. I'm slightly under 50% in my last two seasons but I do have a bunch of big wins. Since I've been to Vegas for 9 ball singles I'm locked in for life.

My favorite part about being at the top of the rankings is that no one can complain about my handicap. If I win the opponent just got beaten by someone who outplayed them.

 

[GeoEnvi]

As others have previously pointed out, the APA system works when the scorekeepers do their work. Failing to mark proper defensive shots CRASHES the system. For example, failing to mark only 3 or 4 defensive shots will prevent a hot SL3 from being accurately ranked as a SL4.

Think about that: Missing only 4 defensive shots is all that's required to effectively sandbag (whether intentional or not) as a SL4 or lower.

I've played against MULTIPLE teams in my franchise that fail to mark ANY defensive shots. They act as if that space isn't even on the sheet. When two of these teams face each other, NOTHING gets marked for either team. All those 20 inning matches look horrible, instead of the 14 to 15 inning blowouts that they should be.

I love the 'scorekeeper clinic' idea. Ever face the team where the non-pool player girlfriend is 'keeping score?' IMO, only educated scorekeepers should be keeping score.

 

[StraightPoolIU]

Every person on our team is a APA veteran of multiple sessions, but more or less no one under a 5 skill level recognizes when defensive shots are played.

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