APA no 3 Foul Rule Question.

RRfireblade said:
I agree about the 23 rule but that not at all why people sandbag.

They sandbag to get more weight than they need to guarantee they can win thier matches without sweating it.

Unfortunately, that actually the whole fundation the game of bar pool is based on. :)
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I guess I disagree with this b/c with BCA I do not see NEAR as much sandbagging. My other issue with APA is that I think they should have 8s. The skill level range on 7s is so wide.
 
This thread wasn't started to bash APA. APA isn't a perfect system. I think most can agree but presently it's the only game in town.

No one addressed the deliberate misses by the opponent which must be ok for him rather than taking a chance and opening up the balls. It's wasn't like the 8 ball was sitting inside the jaws with my ball in front and he had no other options. I wasn't clear about the safeties I played. He could partially see his ball after each one but would deliberately keep missing it.
 
LSU1018 said:
I guess I disagree with this b/c with BCA I do not see NEAR as much sandbagging. My other issue with APA is that I think they should have 8s. The skill level range on 7s is so wide.
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In BCA, ratings don't play as big a role in weekly play. Once you get to the bigger tournaments, it can make a huge difference. Take a look at the ratings problems that they've had at the national level, including this year. Locally, there have been players bumped because of suspicious losses coming in the round before they'd automatically qualify for a bump in the tournament. I'm an APA 7/9 and still a BCA B, but that's the way it goes sometimes. Most of the sandbagging in the APA is almost negligible, as they don't always win at crunch time and their sandbagging is closer to a 5.1 playing as a 4.8. There are a few cases of 7s masquerading as 4s, but that's very rare and hard to pull off without the silence of others.
 
plainbutt said:
The game is 8 ball with opponent on the 8 and the 8 is clustered with my last ball. He purposely shoots to miss. I get BIH and plays a soft safety. He again misses on purpose. I take BIH and again play a soft safety. He again shoots and on purpose misses. I finally attempted a bank, missed and he gets out.

What happens with no 3 foul rule if I played to miss, also? At what point does this become a stalemate? Or is this considered unsportsmen?
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after your first ball in hand you should have been able to seperate them and still play safe then your next ball in hand would have been for the win.
 
PGHteacher said:
There is no 3 foul rule in 8ball, you need to study the rule books IMHO.
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Didn't anyone read this post?

Maybe it's just me, or does APA have different rules than BCA? Does APA have a 3 foul rule for 8 ball?

Someone asked me about this rule on a money game and I said there was a 3 foul rule. When I looked at the BCA rules the next day I felt like I'd been had.
 
LSU1018 said:
I guess I disagree with this b/c with BCA I do not see NEAR as much sandbagging. My other issue with APA is that I think they should have 8s. The skill level range on 7s is so wide.
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I don't disagree with that either. :)

But what do 'we' disagree about?
 
spatlese44 said:
Didn't anyone read this post?

Maybe it's just me, or does APA have different rules than BCA? Does APA have a 3 foul rule for 8 ball?

Someone asked me about this rule on a money game and I said there was a 3 foul rule. When I looked at the BCA rules the next day I felt like I'd been had.
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I believe that the 3-foul rule applies only to 9 and 10, but not for 8. APA has no such rule, as far as I can recall.
 
spatlese44 said:
Didn't anyone read this post?

Maybe it's just me, or does APA have different rules than BCA? Does APA have a 3 foul rule for 8 ball?

Someone asked me about this rule on a money game and I said there was a 3 foul rule. When I looked at the BCA rules the next day I felt like I'd been had.
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Yes APA has it own rules.

http://www.poolplayers.com/materials.html

They also allow pretty large local league rule interpretations, changes and/or adjustments.
 
Buster8001 said:
APA does NOT keep you from getting better, nor do they endorse cheating by manipulation of the handicap system. Only a person can decide if he or she is going to cheat or manipulate the system. I play APA 9-ball, and strive to reach higher levels. A team captain can tell you to lose, but only you can decide to go through with the loss.

APA may "suck" for some, but it is only because of the local product. Averages wouldn't be so high, or so low, if everyone had more integrity and played to their fullest ability every time. The system would level out and act as designed. Sadly, that is not the state of our world as it stands.

Josh
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Josh..... I apologize .... I quoted the wrong post......

Kim
 
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I've seen a couple of stalemates in the APA. Both were where the 8 ball was deep in the pocket and blocked by the opponents ball. The opponent couldn't move their ball without making the 8 ball and the 8 ball couldn't be hit directly.

I think the rule is that if both players make no attempt to hit their ball 3 consecutive times, it's a stalemate. But I could be wrong on the details. :cool:
 
I have seen many APA and other league players who are lower level play safes with ball in hand with CLEAR runs on 2-3 balls on the table. They bat the ball around at random till something tells them to SHOOT NOW, even though that shot is no easier than any of the other 4 they passed up.

But it's all moot as people have already pointed out that there is no 3 foul rule in 8 ball. With the 8-ball tied up, I'd play a safe while at the same time knocking the 8-ball loose, if possible of course.

About a stalemate, it's not a very well known rule in 8 ball, a bit like being able to use any ball first in a combo on an open table. Catches even some "good" players off-guard. About the only time I have played with a stalemate in 8 ball was against my brother in law in a league match, one of my balls was right behind the 8 which was in the jaws, there was no way for me to make it without hitting the 8 in, and no way for him to hit the 8 without hitting my ball first.
 
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