APA rule question

Why wow? When a player moves balls by accident or mistake (see how much of a pain it is to appease those who think THAT distinction is important?),
You don't know the difference? Words matter. Tell your adult child they were an accident. They'll likely laugh at your young carelessness. Tell your adult child they were a mistake...........
 
You don't know the difference? Words matter. Tell your adult child they were an accident. They'll likely laugh at your young carelessness. Tell your adult child they were a mistake...........
Just as important as the words is one's ability to read correctly. Why do you conclude that I don't know the difference when I said the difference is irrelevant here? Perhaps just trolling...
 
so the player grabs two balls off the table. to me it looks like he conceded the game for whatever reason. thats reasonable.

so now i rake all the remaining balls down table for the next rack. thats reasonable.
You just scratched, and you think it's reasonable to think your opponent is conceding? There is nothing in APA rules about conceding a game. If anything, it is discouraged.

so since the first player didnt commit a foul then i lose the game.
Under what rule set? Are you making up an imaginary set of rules? In APA, reset the table if you can, and your opponent has BIH, just like before. If you can't reset the table, rerack the game and your opponent breaks. It doesn't matter who moved balls by mistake.

yet they say you start to unscrew your cue its loss of game. suppose you were going to change shafts?
how does unscrewing your cue be loss of game but grabbing balls off the table to rack isnt
Again, in APA neither is loss of game. Unscrewing can be unsportsmanlike, but if you did it to change shafts it's not, and it should be done out of the immediate sight of your opponent if possible.

You're not alone. Plenty of players make up their own rules (or rely on something someone told them once) instead of bothering to learn the real ones. Nothing wrong with being ignorant of the rules (it's a concept called rational ignorance), but one must be willing to accept the consequences of that ignorance.
 
If you hate everything APA you might just want to move along...

I saw a situation get brought up recently and there wasn't a clear answer. Here's the scenario:

- Player 1 makes his key ball and scratches.
- Player 2 had a brain fart and thought his opponent made the 8 and scratched (resulting in loss of game)
- Player 2 grabbed his last two remaining solids off the table and got ready to rack
- All hell breaks loose

The question was "What happens now?" The overwhelming consensus by those answering was that it fell under the "accidentally moved balls" rule, so they would replace the solids where they were and player 2 would have BIH. Is that really an accident? How can this not be loss of game by player 2?
It would seem, picking up remaining balls and heading to rack would be the same as conceding the game, same as breaking down your cue.
 
Just as important as the words is one's ability to read correctly. Why do you conclude that I don't know the difference when I said the difference is irrelevant here? Perhaps just trolling...
If you understood the difference in meaning, the relevance would be clear
 
Yes, negotiation and compromise. APA says that once the captains agree on a resolution, even if it's a coin flip, and continue, the resolution stands.
Is that an actual rule in the rulebook? I've always said that the two people playing should work it out, but when lower handicap players are playing, and/or when someone's boyfriend or husband wants to chime in, that's when the captians get involved. I'd like to have something in the rulebook to point to.
We seldom deal with these kind of issues, but like most leagues, a couple people on a team or two can really take the fun out of things.
 
It would seem, picking up remaining balls and heading to rack would be the same as conceding the game, same as breaking down your cue.
No foul in any of those cases, restore the table (if it was disturbed) and continue, even in the concession case, which is discouraged in the APA. Possible sportsmanship issue. Tell me again what's different?

You'd think so, but not in the APA.
One might disagree with it, but I think it's pretty consistent.
 
Is that an actual rule in the rulebook? I've always said that the two people playing should work it out, but when lower handicap players are playing, and/or when someone's boyfriend or husband wants to chime in, that's when the captians get involved. I'd like to have something in the rulebook to point to.
We seldom deal with these kind of issues, but like most leagues, a couple people on a team or two can really take the fun out of things.
#32 under General Rules in the OTM (page 40 in the current print version).
 
Doesn't APA sound like fun??? Rather gargle with Draino.

I just checked, gargling with Draino is not against the rules in APA, however it may be against your local pool hall’s rules against bringing in outside foods and poisons, so you may have to check with them.
 
No foul in any of those cases, restore the table (if it was disturbed) and continue, even in the concession case, which is discouraged in the APA. Possible sportsmanship issue. Tell me again what's different?


One might disagree with it, but I think it's pretty consistent.
No argument on that one. I disagree with it, but accept it.
 
Doesn't APA sound like fun??? Rather gargle with Draino.
When people decide they want to have fun and not instigate conflict, and can play by the rules for everyone's benefit, it's pretty fun. To me, anyway. And quite a few people that play in our league, twice a week here, seem to agree.
 
You'd think so, but not in the APA.

I think the main issue with all this is that there is logic, reason, world rules, and then there is the APA. There are three reasons I won't ever play in the APA, rules are silly and geared towards drunks with an IQ of 80, playing in random crappy places, and the fact that no more than 1/3rd of all APA players I have seen are honest about their skill level. I'm just lucky that in my area there is pretty much every other league I could play in, including several in house leagues done by WPA rules. Every time I read these rules questions and it turns out the APA is different from every other rule set I thank my lucky stars for that.
 
I think the main issue with all this is that there is logic, reason, world rules, and then there is the APA. There are three reasons I won't ever play in the APA, rules are silly and geared towards drunks with an IQ of 80, playing in random crappy places, and the fact that no more than 1/3rd of all APA players I have seen are honest about their skill level. I'm just lucky that in my area there is pretty much every other league I could play in, including several in house leagues done by WPA rules. Every time I read these rules questions and it turns out the APA is different from every other rule set I thank my lucky stars for that.
APA masters is pretty fun.
 
APA masters is pretty fun.

Yes but that is pretty much normal rules even races, so all of those negatives the APA has to me do not apply to that division. I don't think we have an APA Masters near me, the better players play in the USAPL or TAP leagues.
 
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