APA rules question
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stumpie71> Let's run through a simulation game. You and I are playing 8 ball, we are in the middle of the game, it's my turn, and I change playing cues. We have our rule books on us, what rule can you produce that would prohibit me from doing so?
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(I have 3 cues only - One I break with, and two I play with)
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(I have 3 cues only - One I break with, and two I play with)
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lol. I know what you mean. - And all I'm doing is trying to get a clear cut answer. Either you can, or you can't. And if you can't - I need to know why (and prove it) in case the situation comes up AGAINST me in a game.
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From the rules, as long as your playing cue meets the requirements for a playing cue weight and length restrictions, you can do whatever with it. If you want to play with a hard tip and an 16 oz cue and that makes jumping easier, that is all within the rules.
There is no rule that states "your playing cue has to be bad at jumping", just that you need to jump with the cue you play with.
If you go to a car race for cars that are only stock, there is no issues if your stock car happens to be a Corvette even if the other guys bring a Camry. Now if the rules say your cue needs to have a soft tip and be over 19oz, then you are stuck with that rule. Outside of that, I don't see how having a playing cue that happens to jump well is against the rules or even the spirit of the rules, if the specs of the cue fall withing the rules.
As far as swapping playing cues or shafts, people do it all the time when the cue they are using does not "feel right" or something is just off for them, they swap shafts around, etc... in the middle of a game or set. No clue what APA or other league will take that as, but I know in any real tournament I have never seen an issue with someone changing shafts as long as they were not holding up the match doing it for every other shot.
There is no rule that states "your playing cue has to be bad at jumping", just that you need to jump with the cue you play with.
If you go to a car race for cars that are only stock, there is no issues if your stock car happens to be a Corvette even if the other guys bring a Camry. Now if the rules say your cue needs to have a soft tip and be over 19oz, then you are stuck with that rule. Outside of that, I don't see how having a playing cue that happens to jump well is against the rules or even the spirit of the rules, if the specs of the cue fall withing the rules.
As far as swapping playing cues or shafts, people do it all the time when the cue they are using does not "feel right" or something is just off for them, they swap shafts around, etc... in the middle of a game or set. No clue what APA or other league will take that as, but I know in any real tournament I have never seen an issue with someone changing shafts as long as they were not holding up the match doing it for every other shot.
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I really don't know about most of what you assert here...but I disagree with the idea that the rule is very simple. It is incredibly poorly worded, unclear, and in many ways contradicts itself. If half the people that read it interpret it differently than the other half then it is a bad rule.
Wow. I can promise you that I'm not trying to cheat or "skirt the rules". I'm trying to get a clear answer. For two reasons 1) If it can be done or 2) if it can't be done, I need to know why so I can prevent my opponent from doing it.
Like I said in an earlier post. - I have never tried to change cues during a game, and this has never came up....(yet).
Because I'm team captain. It's my job to know what the rules are. And I want this clarified.
What is the problem with someone trying to clarify a rule? And this post is just general discussion. I was curious what others opinion was. The official answer has to come from the APA.
And I take the game serious enough that I want to win. Have fun, but win.
If what you say is true why would the APA not make it very simple by stating that players are allowed only 1 cue? What is the purpose of a second cue if not for performing specific shots????
It allows another cue for breaking and in masters jump cues are allowed. However for tournament play and most local area's YOUR regular playing cue must be used for jumps, massé, etc.
It leaves it to the honesty of the player to abide by the rules. No need for the pool police to regulate. However there are always people that try to skirt the rules.
Yes you can change cues, however if it's for the purpose of jumping or a massé then you are supposed to use your regular playing cue.
As it's been posted some think if you put a hard leather tip on the cue then only use it for breaking and jumping that it's a regular cue. The specifications of the cue are irrelevant with the APA rule only it's intended use.
It leaves it to the honesty of the player to abide by the rules. No need for the pool police to regulate. However there are always people that try to skirt the rules.
Yes you can change cues, however if it's for the purpose of jumping or a massé then you are supposed to use your regular playing cue.
As it's been posted some think if you put a hard leather tip on the cue then only use it for breaking and jumping that it's a regular cue. The specifications of the cue are irrelevant with the APA rule only it's intended use.
I feel the intent of the rule is pretty clear. They don't want people switching to a different cue just for jump shots. If you have a cue in your bag that you intend to use mostly / only for jump shots that cue shouldn't be used.
The rule about being able to switch cues during matches is there so that if your cue breaks or doesn't feel right you can go get another cue to use to continue the match with. Since its APA that rule may be just so you can try your buddies cue to see if you like it.
Putting two areas of the rule book together to create a grey area is not worth arguing over. I would point right to the rule that no jump cues are allowed and ask them how many non-jump shots they have taken with that cue in the past month? Its all about their intention and if they are an honest person or not.
I wish the APA would just either allow jump cues or disallow jumps altogether.
Let's take the question of the "Breaking cue" out of it. I could show up for a game with 3 cues. 1 for breaking only (a true breaking cue), and 2 for playing. Now, according to the rule book, I can change between those 2 playing cues anytime.
And if I can't, I would like to know why?
And if I can't, I would like to know why?
You can, so what. I seriously doubt you can jump with a full cue anyways. So, just fuggin do it already. Nobody is going to care, nobody is going to call you out. If it's a full cue and NOT your break cue, then do it. Having someone on here is not going to help your argument at league. So, just do it.
Of course, you could learn how to kick, but hey, that takes work. lol
This feels like more of an attack on me instead of trying to help solve the question.
And on a sidenote: Who says I can't kick too?