You can continue to play in the Open Teams (not singles)
however the entire team must be of new ( open ) players
however the entire team must be of new ( open ) players
APA vs BCA team champions
- Thread starter seussman
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Any handicapping league is unreliable unless they would play other teams even. For example George Kiesalat won one of the big APA Camel open tournies in Vegas one year playing as an APA 4 laid it down in league for a year went to vegas as a 4 playing against a guy who he beat even gambling that was a 7 (disclaimer have never played in an APA league just know that chicken geaorge told me winning the event was a complete stickup)
Uh... In my AA division of BCA.. there is a team comprised of Luke Hawkins , Ryan Stone, Alex Olinger, Jason Thomas, Frank Ruby, and Jimmy Myers..
They are absolutely amazing players.. Alex O. and Ryan Stone are awesome, and Luke is right in that category.. there is no way in hell that your team of 2's and 6's or even 7's.. will match Ryan stone and Alex Olinger. they would easily wipe the floor with your team. These guys are almost professionals..
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Oh, the irony of this post, APA vs BCA.. didn't Alex win the APA 9b event last year?
I really dont know too much about him or the APA, I was just saying that his BCA team would destroy a normal APA team.
I mean, I have played him several times, in League and in tournaments, but I don't follow up on his accomplishments too much. While I know he is a very, very good player (and even that could be a potential understatement) I like to tell myself that anyone is beatable given lots of practice. (a mental thing for me) so I don't sit there and study his game. I have seen a few videos of him at Tournaments and such, but I usually watch the game to do a play by play of what I would be doing in that situation.
Either way, I was just responding to a certain persons post. I know Alex and Ryan get sanctioned in as many ways as possible, that way they can attend any tournament they deem fit.
your post is well thought out and i agree with most of it. your 3rd paragraph is debatable.
bcapl is no longer available in my area so all those players joined apa. upon talking to most people around here i found that most have the same opinion i do on bcapl vs apa.
bcapl pro; call your pocket, open after break
bcapl con; round robin format,points based
apa pro; match up according to your handicap
apa con; slop counts
the op question here is really not debatable. there is no way an apa team limited at 23 can compete with an unlimited handicap bcapl team.
i think what would be a good debate is a 23 apa team vs 25 bcapl team.
if the same 2 teams played 2 sets, 1 under each format i think the results would be suprising. it would be closer than you apa bashers think.
here is why i say that.
1.bcapl call your pocket, slight edge goes to bcapl players. most apa players 5 and above dont make slop shots anyway.
2.bcapl open after break, i gotta say even here.
3.apa slop shots, advantage apa. those slop shots apa bangers make would frustrate even the most seasoned bcapl player and get him outa his game :grin:
4.apa closed break, advantage apa. bcapl players are used to taking whatever set is easiest . when that apa player is forced to kick in a lucky shot it will again frustrate the hell outa a bcapl player :thumbup:
23 vs 25 rule, this one is very debatable. i dont think 2 points is that big of a factor. especially when you consider this. apa handicap stops at 7. that means an apa 7s skill level could range anywhere from a bcapl 8 to a master.
one last thing, you gotta take into account those sandbagging 4s and 5s, they would rape those bcapl 7s and up
just kidding :smile: i had to throw that out there
Post your greatest match stats....and I bet you won't have half as many break and runs (b&r) as any other league with those skill levels. A "2" will never b&r otherwise they are sandbagging.
Every player on my old team would have multiple b&r's.
My weaker team once put a 7 pack out of the gate in state. Let see your team stats match that. I don't think so.
i have to agree with you on this. simply because of the open break rule.
i play apa and napa. it is easier for me to have a break and run in napa than it is in apa simply because of the open break rule. napa is call your pocket just like in bcapl, no slop allowed.
if you think about it a closed break rule does give lesser players a slight chance to be somewhat competitive because it is less likely their opponent will have a break and run on them. that coupled with the slop factor does give a new player a slight advantage to win a game now and then vs playing in bcapl.
a good player just cant handle being beat by a newbie or lesser skilled player, that is the main reason for all the apa bashing you see on here.
i see no difference in a league that helps new players be a lil competitive than a good player giving a spot to a lesser player such as in a gambling match.
think about it.
apa makes a rule to draw in lesser skilled players thinking they have a chance to win every now and then.
a good player gives a spot to a lesser player to draw him in thinking he has a chance to win some money now and then. there is no difference , so why all the bashing ? apa does a good job bringing in new blood to help keep this sport that we all love from dying.
Who's bashing? No one says apa players suck. An apa team is hampered by its need to have a 2 or 3 on its roster. For an apa team to be competitive against a bca team you would have to let them pick a league all star team and suspend the handicap system. I play both leagues and see both for the good and the bad. It's just not a fair comparison
i was not talking bout you. i agree with your post 57.
as far as comparison, read my post 66.
Wonder, if the top 5 APA guys played the top 5 BCA guys, how many would be on both teams.