APB Player list (Did you sign or agree)

u12armresl

u12armresl

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There are a lot of names on that list and before anyone goes around and boycotts products or services let's try to figure out if EACH person knows that their name is on there and agrees with it.

Lots of posters know people on the list personally, and some of the people on that list post here, so If you are a person on that list add a reply so that it can be understood.

For instance Lenny knows Scott really well so he would know if Scott actually signed off on that. Because he did or didn't add his name to the list, it would not keep me from buying a one pocket DVD.

Johnny Archer USA
Mika Immonen FIN
Efren Reyes PHI
Francisco Bustamante PHI
Darren Appleton ENG
Shane Van Boening USA
Rodney Morris USA
Alex Pagulayan PHI
Dennis Orcullo PHI
Thorsten Hohmann GER
Lee Van Corteza PHI
John Schmidt USA
Corey Deuel USA
Huidji See NED
Mike Sigel USA
Nick Varner USA
Buddy Hall USA
CJ Wiley USA
Tony Drago MLT
Raj Hundal ENG
Karl Boyes ENG
Imran Majid ENG
Marcus Chamat SWE
Roberto Gomez PHI
Carlo Biado PHI
Warren Kiamco PHI
Antonio Lining PHI
Jundel Mazon PHI
Shawn Putnam USA
Mike Davis USA
Stevie Moore USA
Oscar Dominguez USA
Charlie Williams USA
Dennis Hatch USA
Jeremy Jones USA
Allen Hopkins USA
Scott Frost USA
Ernesto Dominguez MEX
Kim Davenport USA
Rob Saez USA
Tony Crosby ENG
Art Wiggins USA
Tommy Najar USA
 
JA seems to have the 30-45 crowd who are his peers and respect him (as they should). I would be curious to see whether SVB (important statement) and the 50 something crowd of past champs (Earl, Sigel, Varner etc). Without those guys then it would crush the event.

Nick
 
Hence the point of the thread, if you have any way of knowing if any of the players listed have 100% said they sign off on this then add it please

Nick B said:
JA seems to have the 30-45 crowd who are his peers and respect him (as they should). I would be curious to see whether SVB (important statement) and the 50 something crowd of past champs (Earl, Sigel, Varner etc). Without those guys then it would crush the event.

Nick
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It's possible that when someone joins the ABP, he signs an agreement to be bound by the policies established by the Board of Directors. Rodney Morris told us in the radio interview that it was by vote of the Board that the boycott was decided.

If this is so, it would explain why it would be technically "OK" for the board to use a member's name on the boycott list without that member necessarily even knowing about it initially.

I just mention this as a possibility.
 
Interesting, thank you.




AtLarge said:
It's possible that when someone joins the ABP, he signs an agreement to be bound by the policies established by the Board of Directors. Rodney Morris told us in the radio interview that it was by vote of the Board that the boycott was decided.

If this is so, it would explain why it would be technically "OK" for the board to use a member's name on the boycott list without that member necessarily even knowing about it initially.

I just mention this as a possibility.
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The 2 original listts that appeared in the billiard news on AZ and IP are listed here: http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=8882 and here http://www.insidepoolmag.com/201107...he-association-of-billiard-professionals.html

I have been contacted by a few of the players on the original list that have stated to me that they DO NOT KNOW how there name got on this list and they would like to have it removed. I asked them to contact the ABP to have this done and gave them the email address listed on the PR.

It appears the BIG concern some of them have is that they are being represented without ever being asked or agreeing to be a part of the ABP. This is all I was told and I will not name names. The main concern came to light with these players when they learned they will no longer be able to play in MaximBilliards.com Amateur events as they were notified by email earlier today of the ban that will take affect on July 31st, 2010 as mentioned in this PR http://mxmbilliards.com/2011/07/09/notice-to-abp-american-billiard-professionals/

Anyway, I hope the ABP gets the list straight for the players sake because as I understand the rules are that the players will be barred from Amateur competitions on the Maxim tour for 5 years after that date.

Here is a list of the names from that list. I have highlighted a few players names in BOLD that I think this will affect as they are borderline players and most likely not really considered pro's so please if you know any of them let them know about this ruling and the list.

Mike Sigel USA
Nick Varner USA
Buddy Hall USA
CJ Wiley USA
Ralf Souquet GER
Niels Feijen NED
Darren Appleton ENG
Tony Drago MLT
Chris Melling ENG
Mark Gray ENG
Thomas Engert GER
Raj Hundal ENG
Imran Majid ENG
Marcus Chamat SWE
Karl Boyes ENG
Scott Higgins ENG
Huidji See NED
Oliver Ortmann GER
David Alcaide ESP
Efren Reyes PHI
Francisco Bustamante PHI
Alex Pagulayan PHI
Dennis Orcullo PHI
Lee Van Corteza PHI
Roberto Gomez PHI
Carlo Biado PHI
Warren Kiamco PHI
Antonio Lining PHI
Jundel Mazon PHI
Shane Van Boening USA
Mika Immonen FIN
Johnny Archer USA
Shawn Putnam USA
Rodney Morris USA
Mike Davis USA
Thorsten Hohmann GER
John Schmidt USA
Corey Deuel USA
Stevie Moore USA
Oscar Dominguez USA
Charlie Williams USA
Dennis Hatch USA
Jeremy Jones USA
Allen Hopkins USA
Scott Frost USA
Ernesto Dominguez MEX
Tony Robles USA
Ronnie Wiseman CAN
Kim Davenport USA
Tony Crosby USA
Jeremy Sossei USA
Tommy Kennedy USA
John Morra CAN
Rob Saez USA
Ben Zimmer USA
Larry Phlegar USA
Chris Szuter USA
Art Wiggins USA
Brian White USA
Jeff Crawford USA
Bill Mccollum USA
Jeff Beckley USA
Bill Incardona USA
Stefano Palinga ITA
Tommy Najar USA
Corey Harper USA
Ron Park USA
James Barraks USA
Justin Daniels USA
Dan Wallace USA
James Roberts USA
 
That's a good possibility. Another possibility is some guys might quit the apb right now because they know the boycott was way too much too soon.
 
Thanks for the post Geno.

I'm trying to get past the speculation and conjecture to just get from backers, friends, etc. of people who for sure aren't game for this.

Saying I can't name names doesn't help but add more confusion.

The example of Lenny asking Scott would be my example of a very credible source.

geno said:
The 2 original listts that appeared in the billiard news on AZ and IP are listed here: http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=8882 and here http://www.insidepoolmag.com/201107...he-association-of-billiard-professionals.html

I have been contacted by a few of the players on the original list that have stated to me that they DO NOT KNOW how there name got on this list and they would like to have it removed. I asked them to contact the ABP to have this done and gave them the email address listed on the PR.

It appears the BIG concern some of them have is that they are being represented without ever being asked or agreeing to be a part of the ABP. This is all I was told and I will not name names. The main concern came to light with these players when they learned they will no longer be able to play in MaximBilliards.com Amateur events as they were notified by email earlier today of the ban that will take affect on July 31st, 2010 as mentioned in this PR http://mxmbilliards.com/2011/07/09/notice-to-abp-american-billiard-professionals/

Anyway, I hope the ABP gets the list straight for the players sake because as I understand the rules are that the players will be barred from Amateur competitions on the Maxim tour for 5 years after that date.

Here is a list of the names from that list. I have highlighted a few players names in BOLD that I think this will affect as they are borderline players and most likely not really considered pro's so please if you know any of them let them know about this ruling and the list.

Mike Sigel USA
Nick Varner USA
Buddy Hall USA
CJ Wiley USA
Ralf Souquet GER
Niels Feijen NED
Darren Appleton ENG
Tony Drago MLT
Chris Melling ENG
Mark Gray ENG
Thomas Engert GER
Raj Hundal ENG
Imran Majid ENG
Marcus Chamat SWE
Karl Boyes ENG
Scott Higgins ENG
Huidji See NED
Oliver Ortmann GER
David Alcaide ESP
Efren Reyes PHI
Francisco Bustamante PHI
Alex Pagulayan PHI
Dennis Orcullo PHI
Lee Van Corteza PHI
Roberto Gomez PHI
Carlo Biado PHI
Warren Kiamco PHI
Antonio Lining PHI
Jundel Mazon PHI
Shane Van Boening USA
Mika Immonen FIN
Johnny Archer USA
Shawn Putnam USA
Rodney Morris USA
Mike Davis USA
Thorsten Hohmann GER
John Schmidt USA
Corey Deuel USA
Stevie Moore USA
Oscar Dominguez USA
Charlie Williams USA
Dennis Hatch USA
Jeremy Jones USA
Allen Hopkins USA
Scott Frost USA
Ernesto Dominguez MEX
Tony Robles USA
Ronnie Wiseman CAN
Kim Davenport USA
Tony Crosby USA
Jeremy Sossei USA
Tommy Kennedy USA
John Morra CAN
Rob Saez USA
Ben Zimmer USA
Larry Phlegar USA
Chris Szuter USA
Art Wiggins USA
Brian White USA
Jeff Crawford USA
Bill Mccollum USA
Jeff Beckley USA
Bill Incardona USA
Stefano Palinga ITA
Tommy Najar USA
Corey Harper USA
Ron Park USA
James Barraks USA
Justin Daniels USA
Dan Wallace USA
James Roberts USA
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u12armresl said:
Thanks for the post Geno.

I'm trying to get past the speculation and conjecture to just get from backers, friends, etc. of people who for sure aren't game for this.

Saying I can't name names doesn't help but add more confusion.

The example of Lenny asking Scott would be my example of a very credible source.
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I am on vacation right now but will put it past him when I am back in town next week. ;)
 
geno said:
The 2 original listts that appeared in the billiard news on AZ and IP are listed here: http://www.azbilliards.com/2000storya.php?storynum=8882 and here http://www.insidepoolmag.com/201107...he-association-of-billiard-professionals.html

I have been contacted by a few of the players on the original list that have stated to me that they DO NOT KNOW how there name got on this list and they would like to have it removed. I asked them to contact the ABP to have this done and gave them the email address listed on the PR.

It appears the BIG concern some of them have is that they are being represented without ever being asked or agreeing to be a part of the ABP. This is all I was told and I will not name names. The main concern came to light with these players when they learned they will no longer be able to play in MaximBilliards.com Amateur events as they were notified by email earlier today of the ban that will take affect on July 31st, 2010 as mentioned in this PR http://mxmbilliards.com/2011/07/09/notice-to-abp-american-billiard-professionals/

Anyway, I hope the ABP gets the list straight for the players sake because as I understand the rules are that the players will be barred from Amateur competitions on the Maxim tour for 5 years after that date.

Here is a list of the names from that list. I have highlighted a few players names in BOLD that I think this will affect as they are borderline players and most likely not really considered pro's so please if you know any of them let them know about this ruling and the list.

Mike Sigel USA
Nick Varner USA
Buddy Hall USA
CJ Wiley USA
Ralf Souquet GER
Niels Feijen NED
Darren Appleton ENG
Tony Drago MLT
Chris Melling ENG
Mark Gray ENG
Thomas Engert GER
Raj Hundal ENG
Imran Majid ENG
Marcus Chamat SWE
Karl Boyes ENG
Scott Higgins ENG
Huidji See NED
Oliver Ortmann GER
David Alcaide ESP
Efren Reyes PHI
Francisco Bustamante PHI
Alex Pagulayan PHI
Dennis Orcullo PHI
Lee Van Corteza PHI
Roberto Gomez PHI
Carlo Biado PHI
Warren Kiamco PHI
Antonio Lining PHI
Jundel Mazon PHI
Shane Van Boening USA
Mika Immonen FIN
Johnny Archer USA
Shawn Putnam USA
Rodney Morris USA
Mike Davis USA
Thorsten Hohmann GER
John Schmidt USA
Corey Deuel USA
Stevie Moore USA
Oscar Dominguez USA
Charlie Williams USA
Dennis Hatch USA
Jeremy Jones USA
Allen Hopkins USA
Scott Frost USA
Ernesto Dominguez MEX
Tony Robles USA
Ronnie Wiseman CAN
Kim Davenport USA
Tony Crosby USA
Jeremy Sossei USA
Tommy Kennedy USA
John Morra CAN
Rob Saez USA
Ben Zimmer USA
Larry Phlegar USA
Chris Szuter USA
Art Wiggins USA
Brian White USA
Jeff Crawford USA
Bill Mccollum USA
Jeff Beckley USA
Bill Incardona USA
Stefano Palinga ITA
Tommy Najar USA
Corey Harper USA
Ron Park USA
James Barraks USA
Justin Daniels USA
Dan Wallace USA
James Roberts USA
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My name is Brian White. I'm not sure how my name got on this list, but I would like to be taken off the list to avoid any kind of amatuer tournament ban.
 
B_White said:
My name is Brian White. I'm not sure how my name got on this list, but I would like to be taken off the list to avoid any kind of amatuer tournament ban.
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Brian, while I can not remove your name from this list (You need to contact the ABP to have thus done.) I can make sure you name is removed from the MaximBilliards.com ban list as a result of your statement.
 
u12armresl said:
Are you the same Brian White on this list or just someone named Brian White (common name)
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That is the exact Brian White as is on the list. Brian and I have had many talks here on AZ and that is definitely his screen name not to mention the fact that we just spoke on the phone about this not less that 10 seconds ago.

Also, it is not a very common name in our sport. A simple search on the AZ Player finder will show thet there is only 1 Brian White. Link to search: http://www.azbilliards.com/thepros/2000playerfinder.php?letter=W&gender=All
 
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