Aramith Mudball?

[realkingcobra]

Ah, my question was a result of "logic by way of extension" -- you used this deduction:

"If it's a mudball, then it was designed to be used on a coin-operated pool table...so that means it'll follow a magnet...meaning it has metal in it in one form or another....so, see if a magnet pull the ball along a flat surface....if not, then it's not a mudball"​

...which, if we read it the way it was written, you imply that "any" ball that follows a magnet, "is" a mudball. If it doesn't follow a magnet, it's not a mudball.

So we know the Aramith green "S"-logo'ed ball will follow a magnet, but most on these boards will tell you that it's not a mudball.



Excellent piece of information -- thanks for sharing! Although methinks you might've let the secret out.

I do have one of these green "S"-logo'ed balls, I've obviously not cut one in half, because it's the only one I own, and I need it. If, like Craig, I had several of these laying around, being the science-minded person I am, I most definitely would've taken a band-saw to one.

I can tell you, though, in comparison to the traditional mudball or even the traditional "plug" ball, this green "S"-logo'ed ball reacts differently. I've had people swap the ball out in the middle of the game (without the shooter knowing), and the shooter slammed the p!ss out of it with draw (expecting the lackluster draw response from the mudball, and obviously compensating for it), and the Aramith ball slammed in reverse and went zinging around the table. The shocked look was priceless.

-Sean

That's because Aramith did a better job on the finish of the "New" magnetic cue ball to hide the pluged look, and to keep the finish lasting a little longer than the "mudball" so the new finish cuts down on the friction drag when trying to back spin the cue ball therefore making it easier to "draw" the cue ball back-wards:grin: but still most of them "S" magnetic cue balls still don't roll straight!

 

[Zivan1967]

Hold on guys we have not yet establish that it is actually an aramith ball. I doubt it. Probably some off brand polyester ball.
Zivan did the balls come in a box? Was the cue ball milk white before the blueing? You say same weight, but did you actually weigh it?

Balls came in an aramith box and they look like the crown model. Cue ball is beige not milk white. I'm pretty sure the other balls are aramith but not so sure about the cue ball since i couldn't find a replacement beige cue ball from aramith.

I weighed it to be 5.8 to 5.9oz just like my measle ball, and checked the diameter with a caliper and it was fairly close to my measle ball.

Either way i was just curious as to how the ball could be made to keep its forward momentum so well without being larger or heavier. My last set of balls had some chips in them so any set (especially free gifts lol) are better than those.

 

[rackem]

Balls came in an aramith box and they look like the crown model. Cue ball is beige not milk white. I'm pretty sure the other balls are aramith but not so sure about the cue ball since i couldn't find a replacement beige cue ball from aramith.

I weighed it to be 5.8 to 5.9oz just like my measle ball, and checked the diameter with a caliper and it was fairly close to my measle ball.

Either way i was just curious as to how the ball could be made to keep its forward momentum so well without being larger or heavier. My last set of balls had some chips in them so any set (especially free gifts lol) are better than those.

Does the box say aramith or is it just green with white circles?

 

[Zivan1967]

Does the box say aramith or is it just green with white circles?

it says aramith, i looked on ebay to try to find a pic and the set i have looks like this one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Aramith-Billiard-balls-/110616035413?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c13ac055

there are other aramith crown sets that look to have a milk white ball like this

http://cgi.ebay.com/SET-ARAMITH-STA...704?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20b55607f8

i'm not sure if the set i have is aramith or some counterfeit knock off, but like i said before they play fine and i have a measle ball which i like better anyway.

edit: wanted to make a note that the plastic insert that holds the balls in my box looks more like the second link rather than the first

 

[jlynn73]

I classify those junk aramith tournament balls as mud-balls. You cant argue this one until you've seen one used for 6 months and its glaze is gone.

If you can see individual dirt particals, and the ball chips and flakes to pieces, then its mud.

this is different from a phenolic weighted ball.

The mud ball dents when struck with a phenolic tip, and that is why I believe they are trying to get phenolic break tips banned. Dont get confused with resin weighted cue balls, but for some reason they seem to be going extinct?

 

[phread59]

I have that exact set. The cue ball is the same. It definately does not draw for spit. I bought the red Sulac symboled one it plays much solider. I believe the cheaper set has a cue ball with a softer compound than the high end cue balls they sell. It sure does hit like a mudball though. Kinda hits like a marshmellow. Give that junker to someone and get the red circle cueball. You'll be glad you did. The regular balls aren't too bad. Play well for the money.

Mark Shuman

 

[Zivan1967]

I have that exact set. The cue ball is the same. It definately does not draw for spit. I bought the red Sulac symboled one it plays much solider. I believe the cheaper set has a cue ball with a softer compound than the high end cue balls they sell. It sure does hit like a mudball though. Kinda hits like a marshmellow. Give that junker to someone and get the red circle cueball. You'll be glad you did. The regular balls aren't too bad. Play well for the money.

Mark Shuman

Thanks for the reply, yeah the balls play fine but that cue ball is something else. I already had the aramith measle ball so that's what i'll continue to use instead of that beige cue ball.

 

[ArizonaPete]

Just another one of the many cue balls Aramith produces:grin:

There's quite a few Aramith cue balls in the Mueller catalog. One of them is listed as yellow (but looks to be beige in the catalog). Could it be an off-colored yellow? Perhaps aged?

 

[cheapcues.com]

it says aramith, i looked on ebay to try to find a pic and the set i have looks like this one.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Aramith-Billiard-balls-/110616035413?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item19c13ac055

there are other aramith crown sets that look to have a milk white ball like this

http://cgi.ebay.com/SET-ARAMITH-STA...704?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item20b55607f8

i'm not sure if the set i have is aramith or some counterfeit knock off, but like i said before they play fine and i have a measle ball which i like better anyway.

edit: wanted to make a note that the plastic insert that holds the balls in my box looks more like the second link rather than the first

That set is the Crown Standards. I hate that set and I don't know why Aramith offers them. They are not phenolic resin. They're nothing like real Aramith phenolic resin balls, and of course the CB is not good either. IMO the only reason to buy that set is that it's the cheapest set available with the number in the field, at least that I know of, if that is the "look" of balls you are after.

My experience for what it's worth with Aramith cue balls is this:

Green Aramith logo- the so called Valley Magnetic ball- poor surface, difficult to spin (high MOI)

Red circle cue ball (APA ball)- very nice CB, best one for the money. Surface and MOI are perfect. ***BUT BEWARE OF KNOCK-OFFS- THEY'RE OUT THERE YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE***

Pro Cup (6 dot) cue ball- Of course plays correctly, but 2x the price of the red circle. Everybody buys this ball because they use it on TV, not because it's any better than the red circle. There are also knock-offs of this ball but they are easier to spot because this ball is sold in a blister pack with Aramith graphics.

Red Aramith logo ball. This is the ball that comes with the Super Pros. I hate to say this but I do notice a difference between this ball and the red circle. The surface is the same but the MOI seems to be higher. Harder to get action on that ball. Disappointing considering it comes with a top-of-the-line set of balls.

Blue circle ball. Comes with the Brunswick Centennials. Slightly different surface than the red circle, but MOI characteristics seem to be spot on.

The 2 I have not had a chance to familiarize myself with yet:

Blue Aramith logo ball- ball used by BCA leagues I believe.

Black big logo ball that comes with the Tournament Duramith set.

 

[Zivan1967]

I agree that the cue ball is horrible but since i use a measle ball the set is fine for me. These were a gift from my girlfriend also, and if she gets me anything pool related i will learn to love it lol :wink:

Plus i don't have a table, i shoot mostly on my parents table (i'm still living at home going to college) so down the line when i have my own place i'll make sure to get top of the line equipment.

 

[Driller]

I guess I've been misinformed. I always thought a mud ball was the old oversized cueballs on coin tables that didn't have a magnet.

 

[Measle Ball]

I guess I've been misinformed. I always thought a mud ball was the old oversized cueballs on coin tables that didn't have a magnet.

That's what I thought it was as well. Maybe some differences in composition but still oversized for barboxes-

 

[realkingcobra]

I guess I've been misinformed. I always thought a mud ball was the old oversized cueballs on coin tables that didn't have a magnet.

First of all, no bar table cue ball has ever had a magnet installed in the cue ball, the magnets are always mounted in the table near the path of the ball returns so that it can create a magnetic pull against the cue ball that has metal impregnated into it and alter its course from the object balls, into a return for just the cue ball.

Over-sized cue balls came in sizes of 2 5/16"s and 2 3/8"s and were separated from the object balls by being to big to cross under a bridge so to speak, or to wide to fall between to tracks, therefore creating a different path for the cue ball to return. Some table mfg companies even made cue balls smaller than the object balls, but still separated them from the object balls by size.

Dynamo made a weighted cue ball that was to heavy to roll across a scale that allowed the object balls to cross instead.

The over-sized cue balls had no problems with the use of english, but were great when using follow. Draw took a little practice, but still...if you had a stroke, there was no problem in applying reverse english. I use to have fun waxing the over-sized cue ball with Johnson's Paste Floor wax, because the cue ball on a straight back draw off the object ball...would sometimes travel past where it came into contact with the object ball by 2" or so...stop completly...then all of a sudden...reverse direction and take off on it's backward spin, that was really something to watch, especially if you were drawing the cue ball back into a rail because the cue ball would bounce off the rail 2 to 3 times before it would stop back-spinning.

But in no way was the over-sized cue ball considered a mud ball:grin: