Archer got screwed

Heres another view from someone that was there:

I was sitting at the TV table during the Archer/Davenport match. The match was definitely moving at a normal pace. Archer did not take long on his shots at all. Kim shot at a normal pace too. There weren't any big saftey battles and while I didn't time it, I'm sure 10 games were in within an hour. I don't think the shot clock aggravated or rattled Kim. Davenport was visibly not too happy before the shot clock; I'[m guessing cuz he was missing shots he shouldn't have and was shooting below par. Kim's demeanor never really cahnged when Scott Smith came out with the timer.

The only reasonable theory why the shot clock was imposed was probably due to time slots for online streaming. Unfortunately, the match was pushed back to 7p and didn't start til 7.30p due to play stoppage at 5p for the BCA Hall of Fame dinner.

As far as Johnny breaking the BUTT section of his cue, it was a fluke. Johnny didn't bend or slam the cue. If anything, he gave it a slight poke into the carpet, kinda like someone would do with a walking stick. The butt broke at the end of the handle, making it look like he broke a jump/break cue down to jump with. If anything, maybe it wasn't a great endorsement for Scorpion cues' quality :eek:


Eric
 
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He just started using the cue, it was a accidernt, 100%. Scorpion cues are good cues I have a few of them and have hit balls with alot of JA's, this was a fluke-unfornituet at that,


Its great to see Kim out there playing great!!!!
 
duckie said:
Also, if it is allowed by the rules to use a shot clock after a match starts, then both players should have known the rules about this instead it seems they didn't. Shame on any one that does not the complete rules of the game/tourney they are playing.

Archer screwed himself. Also,It looks as if both player feel they were above the rules.
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Have you read the whole thread and read what the people that were actually there had to say??

Archer did not "screw himself". Both of these gentlemen have been pro players for over 20 years, they're aware of the rules. The problem is that the person implementing the shot clock didn't go by the rules that are to be used to implement the shot clock.

Shame on anyone that posts such a wrong opinion in a thread without having read the thread and comprehending what they're talking about. :rolleyes:
 
No TV for You!

junkbond said:
Shot clocks have no place in pool.
None.
Nada.
Zip.
Squat.
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No shot clocks, no TV coverage. Networks will not tolerate the excessive rack/rack cycle nor the constant nitpicking of real or imaginary "trash" from the table. Too much "dead air". Many players use these ploys to take their opponents out of their rhythm. TV time is too valuable to be squandered and without TV you will see yet another generation of our greatest players often forced to bunk in their rides. Sad but true.
 
2v12 said:
No shot clocks, no TV coverage. Networks will not tolerate the excessive rack/rack cycle nor the constant nitpicking of real or imaginary "trash" from the table. Too much "dead air". Many players use these ploys to take their opponents out of their rhythm. TV time is too valuable to be squandered and without TV you will see yet another generation of our greatest players often forced to bunk in their rides. Sad but true.
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And just where is all this wonderful TV coverage? In the years it takes for a match to get to air, I'm sure the networks could find time to edit the tape.

I agree that watching players pick invisible (and, I suspect, imaginary) lint from the table is boring. (Tivo solves this problem, by the way.) I don't think an arbitrary shot clock is the way to handle it, though. If there's a problem for the network or the tournament promoters, then they should find a way to handle it which doesn't involve interfering with the game. The fact that they allow extensions to the clock is an acknowledgement that the shot clock is a problem.
 
junkbond said:
And just where is all this wonderful TV coverage? In the years it takes for a match to get to air, I'm sure the networks could find time to edit the tape.

I agree that watching players pick invisible (and, I suspect, imaginary) lint from the table is boring. (Tivo solves this problem, by the way.) I don't think an arbitrary shot clock is the way to handle it, though. If there's a problem for the network or the tournament promoters, then they should find a way to handle it which doesn't involve interfering with the game. The fact that they allow extensions to the clock is an acknowledgement that the shot clock is a problem.
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Actually, The Mosconi Cup is an example of "this wonderful TV coverage," shot clock and all. If, that is, you happen to live in Europe or Asia.

I agree with you as far as Tivo goes, but then I'm not a Network executive. The networks hate DVRs for the same obvious reason we viewers love them.

I think that one extension per player, per game is a good idea but I fail to see how this "is an acknowledgement that the shot clock is a problem". Without a shot clock, players can take what amounts to an unlimited number of extensions per game. Hence we end up with 2 1/2 hour races to 11, as occurred at this years US Open. No network will stand for that.

Promoters certainly can't afford to hire an army of shot-timers to monitor the many matches played simultaneously at a large tournament like the Open. But they would be able to do so with the additional revenue that TV coverage would provide. I'm as old-school as anyone when it comes to protecting the integrity of the game but I must restate my original contention: No TV, no real money. We who love the game need them a whole lot more than they need us. If you don't already know, I think you would be shocked to learn just how many current and former champions are perpetually one step away from dead broke.

Hustling on the road, in the traditional sense, is a loser. The nut's too high and the near universal acceptance of state lotteries and casinos has given potential suckers more options for fulfilling their urge to gamble.
 
I play fast, but I've been watching pool for about a billion years, here are some thoughts:

- Some shots take a lot of time to think about, and sometimes a lot of time to execute, it's just a simple fact. If you want to force the players to speed up, be prepared for the standard to go down.

- Whenever there is a shot clock, I feel like the organizers don't care WHO wins, so long as the tournament gets done on time.

- Whenever the shot clock is needed it's usually because the organizers did a lousy job of planning and scheduling - not because the players took their time on shots. If you're worried about finishing on time, why not book the venue for another day and start the tournament on Tuesday and not Wednesday (or whatever)?

- Slow players, even extremely slow players, can play just as well as fast players. Nick Varner was a slower player, he beat Strickland many, many times. At the end of the day, it's about if you can get the balls in the hole, not how much time it takes to do so.

- Slow players are unfairly discriminated against. They play at the speed they need to in order to win, but spectators, officials and other players keep telling them to speed up and by consequence play at a speed they don't find comfortable. No one ever tells a faster player to slow down.

- The longest matches at a tournament are usually the most exciting and filled with the most tension. Yet I've seen situations where guys have been trading ingenious safeties back and forth and all of a sudden some official comes over and tells them they have to speed up play and basically ruins the match.

- The shot clock on the women's matches on ESPN basically ruins their product. The ladies are constantly shooting before they're ready. Why not let them take their time? It's not like the broadcast is live.

- Fans who say they 'can't watch' a slow player are ignorant. What if Efren was a slowpoke? You would have never seen him hit a ball!

- Tony Chohan is an ***hole and always has been.
 
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