are some miss cues fouls?

[mindtriplx]

if someone is drawing and they miss cue, the cue ball 'jumps' is that a foul? and how come if it is no one ever calls it? same thing with when someone is shooting and you hear that awful ping and you know the cueball hit the shaft.

 

[1pocketfanatic]

if someone is drawing and they miss cue, the cue ball 'jumps' is that a foul? and how come if it is no one ever calls it? same thing with when someone is shooting and you hear that awful ping and you know the cueball hit the shaft.

I believe this is a very questionable situation. If the cue hits the object ball twice then obviously it is a foul but i was watching an old accustats tape the other day where roger griffins (sp?) was faced with cue ball right on top of 8 ball playing 8 ball and he stroked though it and it was very questionable and i heard billy incardona say along the lines that if one is not sure then its best not to take away a good shot. Thats coming from a referee's perspective but i thought it was a good comment even though i didnt quote it exact. Sorry to get off on that but i believe its a very thin line and best to get tournament director or a neutral party to judge.

 

[StormHotRod300]

I'd have to say no that if you miscue when trying to draw the ball back and the CB jumps up, but doesnt hit the shaft of the cue, and still hits the OB and something hits a rail, it wouldnt be a foul.

I've never seen anyone call it a foul if you miscue when trying to draw the CB and it jumps up, and still makes a good hit. But I could be wrong.

 

[PKM]

I don't know about other rules, but in APA this is what the rule is:

"It is a foul to jump a cue ball over another ball by purposely miscuing it up in the air. Accidental miscuing is not a foul unless other rules in this section are violated."

 

[Bob Jewett]

if someone is drawing and they miss cue, the cue ball 'jumps' is that a foul? and how come if it is no one ever calls it? same thing with when someone is shooting and you hear that awful ping and you know the cue ball hit the shaft.

While the shaft may have slapped the side of the ball, some miscues happen without that contact. Without clear evidence that the ferrule/side of the shaft has hit the cue ball, a miscue by itself is assumed not to be a foul. On the other hand, intentional miscues should be treated as unsportsmanlike conduct. There are lots of creative miscues in special situations.