Are we devaluing the iTrader system?

[Poolplaya9]

When somebody tells me via message, thread, telephone, whatever, that they will buy the cue, without some sort payment commitment I don't take it seriously.
If the buyer is serious he will at least give you a payment date, and let you decide if you want to mark the cue sold.
It the buyer has a solid rep, contributes to the forum, I'll work with them, but when there is no credible mention of payment, I think it's a one way street or not credible, and I move on.
The beauty of sales is that you can just say yes or just say no.
Stooping to retaliation just isn't the way I do things.
In that it doesn't happen that often to me, I don't see the habitual offenders like you do, but then again when I'm in the WFS I am actively buying & selling, not lurking around trying to figure out who's doing what to who.

This is giving me nightmares.
Just last night I had a dream that a mass murderer, Charles Manson type, was sending his disciples out to buy pool cues online, and return them freight collect with out the joint protectors.
Frightening><
I couldn't get back to sleep until I looked through all my cue cases, just to make sure I knew what there, and that all of my j/p's were in tact.

Ok, so for the 21st time all you managed to say was that the information is not important to you based on your ethics.

But for a large group of people, the information is important based on their ethics. So for the 21st time I will ask you again, why shouldn't they be able to have the information they feel allows them to make the best judgments using their own ethics, when it in no way affects you being able to make your own judgments using yours?

 

[cuesblues]

Ok, so for the 21st time all you managed to say was that the information is not important to you based on your ethics.

But for a large group of people, the information is important based on their ethics. So for the 21st time I will ask you again, why shouldn't they be able to have the information they feel allows them to make the best judgments using their own ethics, when it in no way affects you being able to make your own judgments using yours?

And for the 22nd you've taken a cheap shot , which seems to be your specialty
You better get back to your lurking, you never know when the next offender is going to back out of a deal.

 

[Poolplaya9]

And for the 22nd you've taken a cheap shot , which seems to be your specialty
You better get back to your lurking, you never know when the next offender is going to back out of a deal.

I don't see a cheap shot (what the heck are you talking about? lol) and I damn sure haven't seen an answer yet.

For the 22nd time I will ask you again, why shouldn't they be able to have the information they feel allows them to make the best judgments using their own ethics, when it in no way affects you being able to make your own judgments using yours?

Hopefully you will actually answer the question this time instead of avoiding it like the plague. You do realize that everybody here knows that people only avoid answering questions when they don't want to have to admit to the answer right?

Poolplaya9 <--- Preparing to hear more of the predictable crickets. Chirp.

 

[buzzmc]

But let me repeat once again (and will keep repeating until you can explain how it might possibly affect you). In no way does it affect you even in the least little bit if negative is left if one side backs out of a deal. You simply choose to deal with those people anyway if you want to. But for those to whom keeping your word is important, it helps them. I can't for the world of me figure out why anybody would be so against the negative for backing out of deals unless they are one of the ones doing it, or have good friends that are. It doesn't affect you, but will help some other people. Oh, and it doesn't affect you.

Poolplaya9,

This is the problem.. And you're entitled to your belief.... But basically you're saying that people are going to IGNORE the iTrader system because they want to sell something.

Why ignore it? I mean, if I'm going to use it then it WILL affect me, as my decisions will, in part, be made by iTrader ratings that are subject to deals that were NOT transacted.

 

[Poolplaya9]

This is the problem.. And you're entitled to your belief.... But basically you're saying that people are going to IGNORE the iTrader system because they want to sell something.

Why ignore it? I mean, if I'm going to use it then it WILL affect me, as my decisions will, in part, be made by iTrader ratings that are subject to deals that were NOT transacted.

It doesn't sound like you thought this one out, and you may also have missed my previous post addressing this which I quoted again below. You can still use iTrader just fine like you always do.

There are two sets of ethics at work here. A large portion of people feel that keeping your word is important and that the commitment is formed once you say "I'll take it" or "it's yours". A large group of people don't feel that keeping your word is very important at all. Fine, everybody is entitled to their own ethics and morality.

Right now, only one side has the information they need in order to be able to determine for themselves exactly what type of people they are dealing with. But if we have negative iTrader for backing out of deals now both sides have the information they need to determine who to deal with and how. The people for whom keeping your word is important will know who doesn't keep their word and can at their discretion either avoid doing business with them or maybe just structure deals differently with them. But it doesn't change a thing, nothing, for the people who could care less about keeping your word. If you see somebody with 10 feedbacks, only one of which is negative, and it was for backing out of a deal, then you are going to say "well in my mind that person has a perfect record" and will proceed accordingly. Everybody has what they need to use for their own best judgment.

There is no reason why you wouldn't still be able to use iTrader just as effectively as you do now. You just judge someone based only on their "completed sales" as you call them. As stated above, if somebody has ten feedbacks, and only one of the ten is negative, and it was for backing out of a deal, then in your mind that person is 100% positive with nine perfect feedbacks. But the people that want to judge based on "deals that were committed to" whether "completed" or not will be able to do that too. They will look at it and see it as 10% of their deals were bad and can proceed accordingly since people that back out of deals is important to them.

With negative feedbacks for backing out of deals you will still have all the information you have now which is everything you need to determine who is good to deal with based on your personal criteria. But the people who feel backing out of deals is an important factor do not at all have the information they need with the way it is right now. Or to restate it another way, when there is negative feedback for backing out of deals, everybody has all the info they need to be able to determine who they want to deal with and how according to their own ethical standards. The way it is right now only half the people have the info they need.