Areas of Instruction Lacking

[Scott Lee]

Wow...what a concept! :grin: If people did that, they would have the most PERFECT, accurate, and repeatable stroke possible! Oh wait...that's what we teach! :grin:

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

What would happen if you made your follow through the same for every shot????..randyg

 

[Scott Lee]

It certainly does hit the nail on the head! Thanks for mentioning it! I still have them available, in stock, and cheaper than amazon. Anyone can pm me.

Scott Lee
www.poolknowledge.com

The newly released DVD "Play Better Pool: Mastering the Basics, Part I" does a good job of this.

 

[TimurA]

What would happen if you made your follow through the same for every shot????..randyg

I do not play pool often and I play mostly 3c .I am a learning player.But I am a fan also of pocket biliards.

a stroke with the same follow through amount every shot is not effective in billiards.Maybe a great weapon in pocket billiards which require a very precise and standart /consistent hit everytime but not in billiards as far as I see.

I cannot control the cue ball with only speed and spin.The ball always curves and I need to kill the curve or exaggarate it to reach my carom objective.
My observations on the carom table:
Sometimes I use a longer follow through in follow shots to make a sharp curve in order to make the ball to attack a rail as if it has a maximum spin or use again a longer follow through in follow shots to make the opposite(if the direction of the follow through is opposite to the cue ball's direction after the contact with the object ball).I sometimes use short followthroughs in follow shots if the object ball is near the rail to kill the curve .ı sometimes use a very fast short stroke(I pull back my cue as if my hand touched a hot oven) which I learned from Sang Lee which nearly kills all the curve in follow shots in moderate thicknesses

I use also longer followthroughs in centerball hits and draws,too to make the effect longer on the same speed compared to a shorter stroke.For example, İf I want a draw angle off the object ball but not only off the object ball but the rails too,I hit with firm speed but with longer follow through.I can make the same thing with a shorter follow through but I need more speed then.

Actually when I say 'a longer follow through' :apart from the length of the cue that goes from the bridge,I mean :I try to contact the tip with the cue ball in longer time as if I push the cue ball with my cue.

I recently asked a very strong local carom player about the importance of followthrough.He said:İt is possible to miss a 3c carom if you make a 1 milimeter more followthrough or less than it should be even if all the other variables(vertical spin,lateral spin,speed and the amount thickness hit on the object ball )were correct

those are my observations on the carom table and I am sure the above mentioned things are known and much much better known than me by very goods players and instructors here.THe reason why I posted in the first place is that I feel incomplete about these things and to learn all the stuff by yourself on the table is not possible.İf all those things about strokes were written on a billiard book, I would be very happy.

I also thank you for your reply and replies of Mike Page ,Scott Lee and JoeyA

Kindest Regards,

Timur

 

[mikepage]

Hi Timur -

I think we should all wait patiently to hear what Bob Jewett has to say about your comments on the role of follow through on the carom table. Bob is (or was?) president of the US Billiards Association. He also was one of the judges on ESPN for Semih Sayginer doing his amazing trick shots. I think there is nobody in the world who knows more than Bob about what is ACTUALLY happening on a pool or billiard table.

I do not play pool often and I play mostly 3c .I am a learning player.But I am a fan also of pocket biliards.

a stroke with the same follow through amount every shot is not effective in billiards.Maybe a great weapon in pocket billiards which require a very precise and standart /consistent hit everytime but not in billiards as far as I see.

I cannot control the cue ball with only speed and spin.The ball always curves and I need to kill the curve or exaggarate it to reach my carom objective.
My observations on the carom table:
Sometimes I use a longer follow through in follow shots to make a sharp curve in order to make the ball to attack a rail as if it has a maximum spin or use again a longer follow through in follow shots to make the opposite(if the direction of the follow through is opposite to the cue ball's direction after the contact with the object ball).I sometimes use short followthroughs in follow shots if the object ball is near the rail to kill the curve .ı sometimes use a very fast short stroke(I pull back my cue as if my hand touched a hot oven) which I learned from Sang Lee which nearly kills all the curve in follow shots in moderate thicknesses

I use also longer followthroughs in centerball hits and draws,too to make the effect longer on the same speed compared to a shorter stroke.For example, İf I want a draw angle off the object ball but not only off the object ball but the rails too,I hit with firm speed but with longer follow through.I can make the same thing with a shorter follow through but I need more speed then.

Actually when I say 'a longer follow through' :apart from the length of the cue that goes from the bridge,I mean :I try to contact the tip with the cue ball in longer time as if I push the cue ball with my cue.

I recently asked a very strong local carom player about the importance of followthrough.He said:İt is possible to miss a 3c carom if you make a 1 milimeter more followthrough or less than it should be even if all the other variables(vertical spin,lateral spin,speed and the amount thickness hit on the object ball )were correct

those are my observations on the carom table and I am sure the above mentioned things are known and much much better known than me by very goods players and instructors here.THe reason why I posted in the first place is that I feel incomplete about these things and to learn all the stuff by yourself on the table is not possible.İf all those things about strokes were written on a billiard book, I would be very happy.

I also thank you for your reply and replies of Mike Page ,Scott Lee and JoeyA

Kindest Regards,

Timur

 

[PKM]

I've always thought that instructional materials don't explain very well how a beginner/intermediate player should start learning how to apply english. Most of the books and videos I've seen don't talk about the best way to learn to adjust for squirt and swerve, and if it's true that most pros use some kind of pivot, they certainly don't explain how to do that either. (Joe Tucker's free videos are an exception to the rule)