Arizona Tournament Ideas?!?!?

BRKNRUN said:
Are you flipping dense?????...Don't answer that...I already know...

No I am not as you say, ?flipping dense? as I know there are other forum members who do not live in AZ reading this thread. Plus a few AZ people who may not know everything about the AZ Rating System.

Also I have no reason reason to call my fellow Forum Members names to make a point my point.

You know you mention that there are a buch of weekly tournaments that are 9 and under...Yet you fail to list that a majority are weighted in favor of the lower rated player...allmost all are set up so that a monkey can come in and crap his way to the finals without ever having to make a decent shot....Just take flyers until the 9-ball goes in.....winner!!! Sure...higher rated players are getting to the finals of these tournaments...but they have to play perfect and then still hope to beat the luck factor.

Not only does a higher rated player have to go to more games...On top of that the race is shortened giving an "ADDED" benefit to the lower rated player....In some tourmanets they may only have to win two games....(or in some cases only 1 against a 10-1 or 10-2)

Well if the stronger player plays like they were playing a 10, I would think a large majority of the time the stronger player would win. But your point has some validity about the ?luck factor? in 9 ball.

People like to throw out the "well don't miss" line....That is a bunch of crap...Even Efren misses....I have played a match where I kept the guy on lock down for 5 straight games...I have the guy hill -0 and dry break on the 6th rack...The guy immediatly sees the 3 balls lined up to combo on the 9 and craps it in a unintended pocket...then snaps two 9s in a row.........Set over......(Yes...that happend)

Yes even Efrin does mis a shot now and again.

What has happened is that nearly every weekly event has turned into a "bang" fest and NOBODY is learning anything about getting better the right way in this game at any weekly event....

I show up to a OPEN event hoping to get to play some competative pool...and I end up drawing "Slammin 6" that only cares about how many balls he can get rolling in one shot to see if he can crap out 2 or 3 games for a win.....How the heck is that going to benefit my future endevers of this game...how is it going to benefit his???...
Fewer and fewer higher rated players show up for these events because of the above...What is it doing for "thier" game...Nothing......And frankly the less better players I see there...the less interest I have in playing myself.

Since I am guessing you probably still have not caught on....Everyone is the "system"...(It was more a figure of speach than a point at any actual group or person)

Your point is valid, and if you played 8 Ball Tournaments where all players had to call shots, you would not be victimized by the slammer like in 9 ball.

Um...well...for starters...I actually post information on here about pool and how to potentialy improve.........not just start crap threads like do you play left handed or re-start the same thread with a slightly re-worded title just for the sake of seeing my animated gifs that I downlowded from some site......Or waste bandwidth by re-posting an entire good post with just a stupid animated gif on the bottom that says "good post"...At least I add some reading content.....(even if its not worth reading)

I may not be a BCA instructor, but I do share pretty much any information I may have about pool...(even if it only teaches what NOT to do).......I am not going to bother waisting my time going though any of your posts to see what you contribute......I have also helped MANY bangers become better...I have had many ask me pointed questions about what I was doing here or there and how did I hit a shot and I have always helped them...I don't hide any information....what I know about pool is openly shared...It is my nature...I was once a banger myself and know exactly what its like.....But I put in the effort to get better...period.

Also...I actually support pool through participattion on a regular basis in weekly, monthly regional, national events..... Did YOU support a local league? Are YOU participating in BCA this year?????

No I do not play in a League, No I have never played in a League, No I will not play at the BCA this year. I do not play League for the reason I do not want to promised to be some where for 20 weeks in a row any night. I like to do as I wish when I wish.

Also...I spent MANY a wednesday night at Clicks for years...I "participated" in the event pretty much every week...I had more than reguar conversations with Don Rose (and ROD who also post on this board).....I think Don really liked to talk Golf with me on Wednesday nights. He would always hit me up with some golf swing question....I learned quite a bit from Don and Rod on Wednesday nights...Don and Rod would always get into some discussion about pool and I always kept an ear open..

Funny I can't recall EVER seeing anyone by your name participating at Clicks on Wednesday nights.

BTW...Don was a pool instuctor...that was his side business....he got paid for lessons....the Wednesday nights he did was marketing....sure it was a great FREE benefit for novice players and better players.... but it was also marketing...He was hoping to get some paid lessons from his efforts...Its called good business.......Did YOU ever get a lesson from him?????

I made it to Click?s once on a Wednesday stood, and watched Don?s clinic, and never made it back that was maybe 3 years ago. Going back was on a too do list that never got done.

I also helped set up and run (score) a scotch doubles GO BO PO tournament that turned into a GO PO tournament....It turned out to be a great event that was a lot of fun.....I have also stepped in on emergency basis to run weekly events.....Have YOU ever helped run an event anywhere...

Yes several times but it was not a Pool Event.

Frankly...I can't recall EVER seeing your name supporting or signed up for ANYTHING in all my years of playing pool.....I am not the most popular guy in the valley, but you can walk up to many pool players in the valley and ask them who "goose" is and they will know.

I have had many people come up and ask me "who is that goofball coco boy".......Nobody ever seems to know...

Perharps instead of pointing fingers at what "others" have done....perhaps you should first ask yourself what YOU have done...;)

Well you can not be every where, and I try and get out one night a week, and play in a tournament. Did that last year almost weekly, 2008 has not been a good year, as it has been like bi or tri weekly.

BTW I have just made some observations on what my eye see in the Valley of the Sun.












P.S. Every time I drive to play in a tournament, pay an an entry fee, + green fee, or feed quarters into a bar box, buy a drink & or food in the room, or bar, and go home with less in my pocket after expenses. I am as you say supporting pool. IMHO
 
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stuckart said:
SO, back to the Topic at hand!

I know the Rating Committee likes to get everyone's panties in a bundle, but let's just say The Ratings are not going anywhere, and there was an establishment or two that was listening to what kind of tournament you wanted, that you would play in, and we'd get a good turnout each and every week of various skill levels.

What do you want?

I've heard so far:

-Open Tournament
-Even Race of more than 3 games (4 or 5)
-Staggered Entry based on Rating


Need to know:
- What day(s) of the week
- Times (which are probably 7 or 7:30)






Last suggestion Open the Bar Boxes, and charge everyone a Flat Green Fee.
 
Drew said:
Well I don't like handicapped tournaments to begin with, and I don't like the same three guys winning every week. That's why I suggest keeping players within their capabilities. I know I can't beat Scott or Mitch no matter how well I play. So when I have to face those guys, I just sit back and enjoy the show. There aren't many lessons to be learned by watching those guys that don't miss. I'd rather play my heart out against a 9 and squeak by with a win. You better believe my game got stronger in that set. If you had a tournament with nothing but 9's, who would you pick to win? I'd pick the guy who wants it most. That's what this game is about. I don't like to see robberies, and I don't want to see handicaps to prevent robberies. And I certainly don't want to know who's going to win before the damn thing starts. I want players to earn their wins.

I respecfully disagree. I don't think MOST realize what a huge disparity there is in the same rating. Speaking personally I know some 10's that I will gamble with and give the seven. On the other hand, I want weight from others.
 
jay helfert said:
I was just there for a week, and I just don't understand their rating system. Even when someone tried to explain it to me, it sounded like all Greek. :eek:

I mean rating players a 7, 8, 9 or 10 is one thing, but when you start talking about a 10-2 etc. I get lost. I like the old A, B, C and D player rating system. Guess I'm just a dummy. :(

The best handicap system I've seen to date is the USPPA which is used out West in many areas. Gene Stary initiated it many years ago and Tony Annigoni still runs the USPPA. They have a few big events each year, one at the Sands with five or ten thousand in added money.

I agree, the USPPA gets the closest to actually skill levels that I have seen.
 
I know "The Goose".... I know "The Goose"!!!

Can I get an AMEM, my brothers and sisters!!!!!!!

Ray <=== < :eek: Knows now to not ever piss off "The Goose" :eek: >
 
Ryan A. said:
I agree, the USPPA gets the closest to actually skill levels that I have seen.
Hey Ryan,

Where do you play at? I play at Kolby's mostly. What is your rating? I am a 7 going on 8.

BVal (Brady)
 
BigCat said:
I know "The Goose".... I know "The Goose"!!!

Can I get an AMEM, my brothers and sisters!!!!!!!

Ray <=== < :eek: Knows now to not ever piss off "The Goose" :eek: >
I would never piss off a Goose or a BigCat. :)

BVal <------- knows what is good for him :)
 
Ryan A. said:
I agree, the USPPA gets the closest to actually skill levels that I have seen.

If this is Ryan who was threatened by "Pots and Pans" at the tourney (knocking you down or looking funny if he doesn't),
I might try you some if i can get the 7....maybe...:)

Dennis
 
BVal said:
Hey Ryan,

Where do you play at? I play at Kolby's mostly. What is your rating? I am a 7 going on 8.

BVal (Brady)

10 and play at Kolby's. I haven't been playing for the last 10 months because I had both shoulders operated on. I just started hitting balls again.
 
Prince said:
If this is Ryan who was threatened by "Pots and Pans" at the tourney (knocking you down or looking funny if he doesn't),
I might try you some if i can get the 7....maybe...:)

Dennis

I bet you would.

"I may not knock you down when I hit you, but you'll still look funny standing there"
 
Ryan A. said:
I bet you would.

"I may not knock you down when I hit you, but you'll still look funny standing there"
C'mon, haven't hit a ball in 3 days.

Stuckart- In regards to this thread, I'm all for open tournaments, straight races for everyone, but a staggered entry fee for the lower rated players. I would agree with others and say that it is a bit unfair to stagger the entry fee and then handicap the tourney. I can tell you from experience, you will not get any upper echelon players should you handicap it both ways, so your better off just doing an 8-under as you will prob get more players. (esp. those players who aren't comfortable playing 9's and above.)

Coco-I would argue your statement about 8 ball tourneys. As an experienced 8 ball player (or maybe I'm not), there is also some luck factor involved (that's just pool), even if it's call pocket. Yes, i would agree, not as much as in 9ball, so IMO i would prefer 8 ball. Please let me know of any open 8 ball tourneys, preferrably with a longer race than 2 on the winner's and 1 on the loser's side in the Phoenix area. Please correct me if i'm wrong, they don't exist. I have my reasons for why they don't, but i won't bore you with them.

Dennis
 
I said it earlier in the thread. I would gladly play in open tournaments with a straight race and staggered entry fee. Even if the 9's and 10's paid $50 and 8's and under pay $25. I have paid more for the chance to play 9's and 10's. Anyways just let me know when to show up and where. :)

BVal
 
BVal said:
I said it earlier in the thread. I would gladly play in open tournaments with a straight race and staggered entry fee. Even if the 9's and 10's paid $50 and 8's and under pay $25. I have paid more for the chance to play 9's and 10's. Anyways just let me know when to show up and where. :)

BVal
I agree, I think that is fair for a weekly tourney, maybe a little cheaper though. More like 20/10. Our monthly events are $50, and that can get steep for players on a weekly basis.

Dennis
 
Prince said:
I agree, I think that is fair for a weekly tourney, maybe a little cheaper though. More like 20/10. Our monthly events are $50, and that can get steep for players on a weekly basis.

Dennis
:) $20 and $10 is probably more realistic. Bummer you aren't playing in the Straight Pool League. One of the reasons I joined is a chance to play 9's and 10's. Jimmy had a really nice run of 79 last Monday to win the high run 9 and over. I won the high run for 8 and under with 19.

BVal
 
BVal said:
:) $20 and $10 is probably more realistic. Bummer you aren't playing in the Straight Pool League. One of the reasons I joined is a chance to play 9's and 10's. Jimmy had a really nice run of 79 last Monday to win the high run 9 and over. I won the high run for 8 and under with 19.

BVal
Yeah, it's just too much for me to do right now. The Straight Pool League sounds like fun though. Should be a good warm up for the upcoming State Championship in June. Good job on the 19. I'm sure by the end of the session it will be higher, especially playing with that Jimmy fella. Word to the wise, don't shoot him spot shot for spot shot. Rumor has it, he hit about 40+ in a row recently. You have better odds throwing quarters to the spot, he is horrible. :)
 
Prince said:
Yeah, it's just too much for me to do right now. The Straight Pool League sounds like fun though. Should be a good warm up for the upcoming State Championship in June. Good job on the 19. I'm sure by the end of the session it will be higher, especially playing with that Jimmy fella. Word to the wise, don't shoot him spot shot for spot shot. Rumor has it, he hit about 40+ in a row recently. You have better odds throwing quarters to the spot, he is horrible. :)
Thanks for the heads up :D

BVal
 
BVal said:
:) $20 and $10 is probably more realistic. Bummer you aren't playing in the Straight Pool League. One of the reasons I joined is a chance to play 9's and 10's. Jimmy had a really nice run of 79 last Monday to win the high run 9 and over. I won the high run for 8 and under with 19.

BVal
We need to get together and practice some straights Brady,i am not very good at that game and rarely play it but it sounds like fun. :)
 
Fast Lenny said:
We need to get together and practice some straights Brady,i am not very good at that game and rarely play it but it sounds like fun. :)
I am not very good at it either. I have played it about 5 or 6 times in my life. I really enjoy it though. Send me a PM so we don't hijack this thread any more than we have :D

BVal
 
I scored a personal best 122 last week on my home 8 footer. Only took me 4 1/2 hours or so though, with kids running around and trying to disturb my game.

It's very good practice for when all you monkeys are running around while I'm down for my shots.
 
Prince said:
Coco-I would argue your statement about 8 ball tourneys. As an experienced 8 ball player (or maybe I'm not), there is also some luck factor involved (that's just pool), even if it's call pocket. Yes, i would agree, not as much as in 9ball, so IMO i would prefer 8 ball. Please let me know of any open 8 ball tourneys, preferrably with a longer race than 2 on the winner's and 1 on the loser's side in the Phoenix area. Please correct me if i'm wrong, they don't exist. I have my reasons for why they don't, but i won't bore you with them.

Dennis




Well Dennis I will agree with you about the more luck factor in 9 ball, than a call game like 8 ball.

Checking the May Issue of the AZ Billiard Info, Page 26, Weekly Tournament Guide Under OPEN:

There are over 15 Open 8 Ball tournaments list with NO Handicap, most are in Small Bar, with a $5.00 Entry, and I am sure no big pay outs, but they appear as listed, No Handicap Tournament, ever one is even steven depending upon their ability. But as you said all appear to be short race events.
 
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