Artemis cushions and Simonis 860/860HR on a home table

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hejests

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Folks,

Quick question for you. If I find myself a home style table (ie not commercial) that's solid oak with a relatively well made frame and 1 inch slate and I have the cushions replaced with Artemis K-66 and the cloth changed to Simonis 860 or 860HR, how well can I expect the table to play?

I'm used to playing on commercial tables (gold crowns, black crowns & old commercial dufferins) and I'm wondering how far off a home table will play when it's setup right with good rubber and cloth?

I appreciate whatever insights you may have!

Thanks,

Serge
 
Mostly cost. I have a access to some decent 9 footers for next to nothing so can invest in the setup. With a commercial table I'm going to have less funds laying around for the setup.
 
Gold Crown

Check Craig's list. There are several available In New York that are Avaiable. A couple buddy's and a truck and you have a good start for a great Playing table.

PHJ
 
A Gold Crown in decent condition can be had for less than $1K; I've seen some go as cheap as $500. Figure another $600-$700 for cushions and cloth and you'll have a sweet table. I would go this route vs. the home table.
 
Anyone care to answer his question instead of trying to change his mind?

I plan on the exact same thing with the home table that I'm restoring...

Alex
 
92GTA said:
Anyone care to answer his question instead of trying to change his mind?

I plan on the exact same thing with the home table that I'm restoring...

Alex
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I went the home table route with the upgrades,save your money as you`ll need it for a commercial table,Shakey has a like new GC4 around Watertown,upstate NY. Pull the trigger,it has all the upgrades by RKC and was installed 6 months ago.It can be found in the wanted for sale section.HOME TABLES ARE JUST THAT,FOR OCCASIONAL PLAYERS AT HOME!:thumbup::thumbup:
 
hejests said:
Folks,

Quick question for you. If I find myself a home style table (ie not commercial) that's solid oak with a relatively well made frame and 1 inch slate and I have the cushions replaced with Artemis K-66 and the cloth changed to Simonis 860 or 860HR, how well can I expect the table to play?

I'm used to playing on commercial tables (gold crowns, black crowns & old commercial dufferins) and I'm wondering how far off a home table will play when it's setup right with good rubber and cloth?

I appreciate whatever insights you may have!

Thanks,

Serge
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Having 1" slate is pretty standard for most tables whether home or commercial and rails are typically glued up and not solid. If you take a good quality home style table and go with Artemis and Simonis you can expect the table to play somewhat better and faster then with OEM parts. This does not mean the table is setup right for optimal play because you are subject to how the manufacturer designed the table. As an example a Gold Crown rail is probably 2 times wider then a Steepleton rail yet both use a poplar subrail. Put the same cushion on both and the GC rail will still play better generally speaking mostly because there's more behind it. Hope that makes sense.

There's nothing wrong with upgrading the parts on a home style table as it will play better but just keep in mind they're not built with the same beef as a commercial table.
 
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Home table

I went with the home table 3 years ago ....

I have regretted it every time i get to play a gc 9 at the local hall....

Once it is in your home it is very hard to sell...


Buy a gc quality table ...
 
I have an 8' AMF Playmaster Hanover with Simonis 860 Tournament Blue and I think it plays pretty good or should I say good enough to hold me over until I get a house thats big enough for a 9' table then I'm getting a Diamond Pro-Am.

But really in terms of playability, if you have a level playing surface, 1" slate, Simonis 860 and Artemis cushions then it should play pretty close to a commercial grade table if not better. Only drawback would be most home tables have pretty wide pockets.
 
msubilliards said:
I have an 8' AMF Playmaster Hanover with Simonis 860 Tournament Blue and I think it plays pretty good or should I say good enough to hold me over until I get a house thats big enough for a 9' table then I'm getting a Diamond Pro-Am.

But really in terms of playability, if you have a level playing surface, 1" slate, Simonis 860 and Artemis cushions then it should play pretty close to a commercial grade table if not better. Only drawback would be most home tables have pretty wide pockets.
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One of the reasons that Hanover plays well is due to the polyester wrapped MDF top rails. Very dense stuff. And AMF used excellent cushion rubber sourced from a Taiwanese manufacturer named Uylin. I've seen Playmaster rails from the mid-1980's with the cushion rubber still in great shape.
 
zoomer said:
One of the reasons that Hanover plays well is due to the polyester wrapped MDF top rails. Very dense stuff. And AMF used excellent cushion rubber sourced from a Taiwanese manufacturer named Uylin. I've seen Playmaster rails from the mid-1980's with the cushion rubber still in great shape.
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Yeah I like the cushions, they're not as active as Brunswick or Artemis but I can still get the cue ball down table when I need to. My only complaint with the table is the pockets are wide open and it throws me off when I play at pool halls with tigehter pockets.
 
I am looking for a table as well and I haven't been looking for anything except a GC/Diamond/Big G or similar type. My reasoning is for the way they play, but also the fact that I wont really have to rework the table to make it play right. You can buy some nice LOOKING tables cheap on CL, then you spend the money to have it reworked and you in the same range you could've bought a commercial table.

Lets say you get ready to sell it. You will have people who see the type of table it is and are immediately turned off. Then you have the standard non-pool playing consumer who cant understand why you need to get $1500 for your table. You may not think you will ever sell it, but you also dont know what the future holds.

In answer to your question, yes, I think you can make them play decent, I just think with the time and money, you could be playing on a GC.
 
zoomer said:
AMF used excellent cushion rubber sourced from a Taiwanese manufacturer named Uylin.
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My table has got cushions / rubbers with the Uylin stamp. Is this really good quality rail rubber ? (or average at best ?)

I would like my rails to play a little more lively than what they do. (I can only just make 4 rails hitting from the head string at break speed down the table - minimum pro spec is at least 4.5 rails is it not ? - I have Simonis 860)

Perhaps the rest of my rail design / materials / fastening hardware is contributing to my 'very average' rail performance ?

Note: Table is a no-name (asian ?) 'brunswick style' - 1 inch, 3 piece slate. (50 x 100 play area)

Thanx
Cheers.
 
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