Ask Fast Larry Any Question

Internet agruments...I agree, a total waste of time so I've learned to either leave the forum entirely for good or just plain ignore the cretin to death.

Now on to pool shooting adn cue tips. In reading the 11 pages of information at this thread, the feeling I get is a jump shot is more easily executed using a hard tip, say for example a medium Talisman or Triangle, as opposed to a Le Pro tip. Am I correct?
 
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Re: Snooker

Foxtrott said:
Hey larry where did all the Golf games go on the snooker tables ? I can not find but one place and it is about 8 hours from here in charlston WV . Do you know any spots ?

Fast replies, where did all the damn snooker tables go, and the billiard tables as well.

Here is a true story from my old home room in KCMO, we had this 6x12 the old timers used to get on and play golf every day all day long. These guys were ancient, they looked like they checked out of the nursing homes during the day to come play.

One of the old geezers during a long stretch out on the table , one leg up on the rail and croaks during his stroke, flat ass dies on the table. There he is all stretched out there with his chin on the cloth looking right down the cue. Alarmed the other 3 guys run off to the front desk to report the death and to call the ambulance.

Jake the Snake, one of the room hustlers comes bopping down the stairs and into the room unaware of what just happened and walks right by the golf table and does a double take on the old geezer, Jake backs up, looks into his eyes, waves his hand in front of his face, holds his wrist for a pulse, then yells out to the desk man across the room in a booming voice, time out on table 12 here please. :D :p
 
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My Son

Larry my son is 9 and I am starting with him on his stroke . he has spent a couple years on cue care and table management and watching the game.The way we learned growing up was in a 10 cent returnable pop bottle in our bedrooms . The dont have them anymore . the pop bottle opening are too big but you can still put a coin on the butt of the cue .He is getting so frustrated with anything I try as he also downs himself on being perfect . Do you have any suggestions on a way I could maybe help him find a stroke and still keep it enjoyable ? he has a great interest in the game and as my father(whom you knew of) and myself and my fathers father pool kinda runs in the family.I am doing something wrong here and I am NOT being demanding he is getting upset with his own preformance. I don not want to start a downward spiral that will take him a long time to get over . Any ideas greatly greatly appriciated .
 
Re: Re: Snooker

fast larry said:
Fast replies, where did all the damn snooker tables go, and the billiard tables as well.

Here is a true story from my old home room in KCMO, we had this 6x12 the old timers used to get on and play golf every day all day long. These guys were ancient, they looked like they checked out of the nursing homes during the day to come play.

One of the old geezers during a long stretch out on the table , one leg up on the rail and croaks during his stroke, flat ass dies on the table. There he is all stretched out there with his chin on the cloth looking right down the cue. Alarmed the other 3 guys run off to the front desk to report the death and to call the ambulance.

Jake the Snake, one of the room hustlers comes bopping down the stars and into the room unaware of what just happened and walks right by the golf table and does a double take on the old geezer, Jake backs up, looks into his eyes, waves his hand in front of his face, holds his wrist for a pulse, then yells out to the desk man across the room in a booming voice, time out on table 12 here please. :D :p


I hope I go that way larry . I really do.
 
Re: My Son

Foxtrott said:
Larry my son is 9 and I am starting with him on his stroke . he has spent a couple years on cue care and table management and watching the game.The way we learned growing up was in a 10 cent returnable pop bottle in our bedrooms . The dont have them anymore . the pop bottle opening are too big but you can still put a coin on the butt of the cue .He is getting so frustrated with anything I try as he also downs himself on being perfect . Do you have any suggestions on a way I could maybe help him find a stroke and still keep it enjoyable ? he has a great interest in the game and as my father(whom you knew of) and myself and my fathers father pool kinda runs in the family.I am doing something wrong here and I am NOT being demanding he is getting upset with his own preformance. I don not want to start a downward spiral that will take him a long time to get over . Any ideas greatly greatly appriciated .

Fast replies, some day soon, get your son with me, I am very good with kids. I was started to play on a coke case when I was 2, so did my 3 kids, so did my 5 grandkids as well. Start them as babies, but let them have fun, never push them. Let them see pool as nothing but joy and a good time, when they get bored, let them quit. Only when and if they really want to get serious then you push them into drills and stuff like that. You want a cheap home made stroke trainer, Ok, here it is, it works, I acually use one in my pool school, everyone laughs at it at first and then later they go make me one, this thing is cool.

You can practice your stroke on your dinning room table and there is no table time there. Take 3 phone books, tape them together with mailing clear strapping tape, tape them well so none of the books can move around, so you end up with one large block. It's now heavy and wont move. Go get some coke bottles that are plastic, a small one, a larger one, tape each one to the side of the block so the opening of the bottles is about center ball on the small bottle and a high cue ball hit on the larger bottle. Now make your strokes where your cue tip is ending about 8" away from the mouth of the bottle, then follow through so your cue tip goes into the bottle and to the end of it with out touching the rim going through. It teaches a long and level straight follow through. You cannot dip down and do this drill.

Now go to office depot and buy some of these colored stickems which are the size of nickles, stick them on the bottom book in 3 different places from low on the book to higher up, 2nd book up put them in 3 different places also. Now you hit those spots with your cue tip just like before, stroke 8" back, follow through with your cue tip hitting the center of the spot which would be like hitting the cue ball at very low, middle to very high. This trains you to hit the spot you aim at.

Now you have to learn how to hit a spot and keep the cue shaft on line, all of this falls apart if you twist through the shot or line up on it off angle. Now put him on a line down the middle of the dining room table where it joins together, or tape a line across it. Now have him stroke down that line and stand behind him to see if he is on the line or aimed with the shaft slightly across it off angle, if he is, pull his shaft over back on the line, his follow through should extend right down the line right on it. Groove, straight back, straight through staying exactly on the line.

Now go to a pool table, take a stripe, lag it up and back down, hold you cue tip out after the strike and dont pull it back. If your stroke is pure, the ball returns to hit your tip and the stripe line, having the outside edges of the stripe being parallel to the long rails will roll straight. Hit it bad, twist going into it or line up a little off angle, the stripe will roll over and twist and signal a poor stroke at once and the ball will miss coming back to hit the tip. This is the Hoppe 101 lag drill I teach my student to warm up with and to test their strokes on. You will be amazed at how well these simple and free things will produce wonderful results in any persons game. I check out every one with these methods, even a pro. :cool: :rolleyes:
 
kokopuffs said:
Internet agruments...I agree, a total waste of time so I've learned to either leave the forum entirely for good or just plain ignore the cretin to death.

Now on to pool shooting adn cue tips. In reading the 11 pages of information at this thread, the feeling I get is a jump shot is more easily executed using a hard tip, say for example a medium Talisman or Triangle, as opposed to a Le Pro tip. Am I correct?


Fast replies,yes, yes, yes, you got it mate, in my show I use a $5 walmart mop handle, no tip and I jump over full balls, draw table length and have been know to run a couple racks with this thing. I even perform a 2in2 masse like you saw in the Hustler movie, with my Mop.

You do not need a tip to jump with, the mop proves this. The tip is the problem, the softer and thicker it is, the more energy it absorbs and the less it works. Rule one, you cannot use too hard of a tip. That is why you see in the stealt jump cue which is what I use, they have a hard tip cut down so thin it is almost on the ferrule. You could jump with just a bare ferrule. You throw the cue shaft into the cue ball, turning it loose like you toss a spear, the shaft hits the cue ball, bounces back off of it which allows it to get out of the way. If your hand remains holding on during the stroke, you did it wrong. You throw it, turn it loose, it wont go any where if you throw it inside your closed loop bridge. You are still hanging on to it after it bounces off the cue ball. Your right hand toss and turns it loose to fly, your are allowing it to to fly through your left closed loop bridge, when it hits the end it stops and you are still holding it.

A triangle would work fine, cut 2/3rds of it off it will work even better. Put on the Tailsman X, do not cut it down, don't have to, you are in business. The softer the tip, the thicker the tip, the worse it will jump. A lePro is a medium tip in hardness, a very bad choice on a jump cue.

The best tip to put on your jump stick is the Talisman pig skin X, the hardest one. It's so nice and hard, and thin, you wont have to cut it down, just put it on and go to town. It will jump like a Roo mate, no worries. :D :cool:
 
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Foxtrott said:
I hope I go that way larry . I really do.

Fast Larry replies, the room I talked about was kling and
Allens which later became Millers at 12th and Grand. In that same room I learned to play as a boy and that room produced 3 fast players, Fast Joey, the Original Fast Eddy and Fast Larry.
Fast Eddy and me came up in the same room together, His name was Eddy Parker, there really was a Fast Eddy and he was not Paul Newman.
Fast Eddy and I were life long friends and he was doing a show recently in south Texas and died at the table while doing a show. I pray the good Lord will bring me home the same way, doing what I love and not in some sick bed rotting away forgotten by everyone. Bing Crosby, in Soto Grande Spain, birdies the last hole just as the sun sets and dies on the spot as the putt falls, That guy knew how to close a picture and end an act. I do a lot of very hard shots, very hard, usually twice the difficulty of what Brand X shoots. Threre fore I never make every one, never, usually a good show is I miss 2 or 3, make the other 43.

I always said if I ever make 44 in a row and have one shot to go, which is the worlds hardest shot to make, the Agony and Estacy to have a perfect show, do I miss it on purpose, or do I make it on the first snap and if I do, like Crosby and Fast Eddy, I figure the old man pulls my plug just and the shot falls and me and the cue ball fall at the same time.

At the very end of my recent world tour for the first time I faced that situation. They set up a 9' gold crown 4 right in the middle of this hugh disco in the middle of the dance flloor right in front of the DJ, I am in the dark, disco ball circling over my head with these little lights going everywhere, this place was a copy of studio 54. When I went out I said if I make half of the shots it will be a miracle, it was the most difficult challenge I have ever faced. I have done two other Discos before but in both cases I put Max up to do the show, I was not dumb enough to get up there. On this tour, no dog to fall back on, up I went.

I got on a roll and soon I had made 44 in a row, facing the final DF11. I thought about the situation and then said, its a good day to die and a great way to go out, what the hell, I've lived too long already, bang, the 5 rail bank begins, I run over and hit the long rail masse, the cue ball races down table to pot the 5 rail time shot cut in. The shot fell perfectly. I laid my Meucci down on the table to the applause waiting for the lights to just go out. Nothing happned, the next thing I heard was nice show fast, here's your Johhny Walker gold double on the rocks, cheers.

Suddenly the music came on and I was surrounded by young dancers. It was not a good day to die. Like the Catholics say, only the good die young.

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how do I improve

Fast, please tell us how to improve. We all want to play better. Why is it so few of us move up. We play, we practice, little happens. Explain this if you can please.

This is a tough one, I can write a book on this subject. Many reasons, lets touch on a few of them but not all of them because of space and time restraints.
Literacy, many are bitching about my long answers, many of these same people are typing with 2 fingers and watch their spelling, and their 3rd grade might have been their senior year in school. When you do not have a lot of education, you do not like to read anything.

Here are some examples, the two most famous people in pool, Minnesota Fats, Walderone and Willie Hoppe, both spent their entire lifetimes in pool halls and went in there as very little kids. Both never spent a day in school. Fatty could barely even sign his own name, so when you wanted an autograph he used a rubber stamp that had his signature printed on it. When Hoppe was 7 years old he was on the road full time gambling on his game and doing exhibitions that supported his entire family, older brother, Mother and Father. Pool is full of people like that, they do not read. Many struggle to read, some are illiterate.

Here are actual facts on the situation, half of most pool players read at a 7th grade level, half of them read at a 3rd grade level. Half of the current general population in this country now reads at a 8th or 9th grade level. 20% of them read at just barely a 5th grade level or below that. These are studies and facts I acquired, I did not dream this stuff up.

Those who are educated do like to read, but they are so stressed out with so little time on their hands today, reading that book just keeps getting put off for tomorrow and tomorrow never comes. Too many of us today live in a world of quickie sound bites; TV has done that to us.

If you want to improve, you must find several fine books and read them, really read them, more than once so you fully understand them.

You must acquire a lot of good video instruction tapes as well, there is a lot of teaching on them of benefit, you need to see what the guys is teaching actually goes down in front of you. Some things like the draw just can’t be taught in a book, but you can teach it in a video tape.

You must acquire a collection of match tapes. Watch straight pool being ran out rack after rack. Get the best run out 9 ball tapes and matches. Pick a couple of people you admire and would like to copy your game after. Get everything on them and watch a different tape every night. Keep seeing perfect pool being played over and over, soon your brain will accept this is possible. I love Buddy Hall and Dave Mattlock, but they are so slow they drive me nuts. I am a fast player, so the tapes I should get and watch would be fast players like Sigel or Stricklin, Medina. If you are a slow plodding type of player then Buddy Hall is your guy to watch a lot.

This crap you see on TV by the women won’t help much, all you see there are 5 ball runs, ducking and choking. They should call this the Hooters tour. That’s the only thing I enjoy watching. Some of it is like watching APA 5’s play pool. The audience goes wild clapping every time they make a straight in shot; I find it to be a giant waste of my time. The last three matches I saw of them not one rack was ran. You want to get tapes where men are running 5 or 6 racks in a row, that’s pool, real pool, and the type of pool you want to learn how to play. You can acquire these match tapes by calling 800-828-0397 or www.accu-stats.com. Pat Fleming runs it, great guy, great player also. Start watching Pat’s stuff and less of this TV crap ESPN is dumping on you. That will help you to play better.

If you have never had your pool game put on video tape where you can actually see yourself play pool and study what each of your basics look like and have everything analyzed by a real teaching pro, then you have made a giant mistake. This is a must do now thing. If you are not getting better and staying the same, then this is why. Find a local teacher who has a camera and begin to clean up your basics, stance and stroke. All good teachers can help you with this. That alone will push you up a notch. Don’t take lessons from the local hustlers or the top players, they are not teachers, you must be taught how to teach. These guys just take your money and give you a dis jointed information dump. Avoid using them. The general rule to follow is if the guy does not teach using a camera, he is not a teacher; he is a player needing a quick fifty bucks off of you.

Finally, save up some money and seek out a master level instructor like me, we are called finishers. We can give you the inside stuff the local guy does not have or misses. The top guys all run a pool school, teach with a digital camera. There are at least a couple of dozen of us around, so there will be no problem finding a good one. Drive and fly in, spend the day with the guy. I have people fly in to spend a weekend with me. I pick them up at the Atlanta airport and make it a package deal. I have two people coming in this month, one from Europe and one from Asia, both plan to spend a week, 7 days of intense daily instruction, these two guys are serious and want to and will move up. I did the same thing years ago when I wanted to learn and move up. I used planes, trains and cars to get to these top guys and they taught me what I teach you today.

Moving up and getting better is not wanting it or wishing it. You have to go to work, spend some money on books, tapes and lessons. Then you must practice double what you have been doing in the past. Do this, you get better and move up, this I guarantee you.
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That's a few good Ideas and I will try them .We have him on a crate right now . He runs about 2 or 3 at a time and has position in mind for up to three balls .I am very proud of him .
Thank you for your reply
 
Bruce said:
You go to a golf course or to a tennis center and there is always a pro teaching. Rarely do I see a pro teaching in the nice billiard palors I frequet. Why is that? Why dont pool players take lessons more often, or is there a shortage of teachers?

FAST REPLIES:

Yes there is a terrible shortage of teachers. The BCA does not have a teaching school or an advanced level teacher on their rolls within 700 miles of Atlanta where I live in any direction. They only have 8 advanced level and 10 master level instructors in the country. That is not a shortage that is a disgrace, a tragedy. Go to the BCA web site and count what they have as regular instructors for you, 114 in the entire country. They have had these same numbers on their roles now for the last decade. The entire BCA teaching program is a massive failure. I graduated out of their school in 95 and then resigned in disgust with what I saw going on. A lot of people like me came in and out of this program.

A lot of the top teachers around the country including me are not in the BCA program simply because we choose to be independent and do not want to be told how to teach by one guy. We will teach what we know is best for our students.

Tennis a few years ago was losing players going into other sports. To stop this drain, the industry all funding the hiring and putting in place around the country 10,000 new instructors. The BCA has 132 teachers in their entire program, does that explain it to you. Pool does not hire teachers, fund them, and find them jobs. Pool wants you to spend $1000 to get a worthless certificate, and then they send you no leads or students. You now have to go from pool hall to pool hall and to work they want you to pay them to teach in their place. They should be paying the teacher to come in the door, not the teacher paying them, this is upside down and backwards as it should be.

I live in Georgia, 10,000,000 people, I live in Atlanta, 4,000,000 people, they have one teacher in Atlanta, their lowest ranking, the other guys phone is now disconnected, I guess nobody took lessons from him, they have a total of two teachers for 10,000,000 people in the state. Is that a massive failure or what?

In Golf or Tennis the centers or clubs hire the teachers and insure they have a first class teaching area set up and most earn a 6 figure income. They give the guy a pro shop where he can make living just selling pro equipment. In billiards the pool halls and bars want the teachers to pay them to come in and teach, the thinking on this is opposite of how other sports handle this. Nobody can make a living just teaching which is why you see so few people doing it. The only ones making any money at this are the higher level guys selling certificates to the lower level people and grabbing all of the leads that come in. Everyone else gets the shaft.

Any teaching pro working in any place will increase the revenue by simply getting people to practice and pay more table time playing. It also renews enthusiasm to play the game and to keep coming back. When people stay the same or get worse and get beat, they quit the game. If they take lessons and begin to win, they keep coming in to spend money.

The first thing that needs to change is the room owners need to begin totally comping the teachers with free table time and special privileges and stop charging them to teach and taking a bite out of what they make. Some want a quarter or half of the fee, so the teacher has to up his price and then nobody can afford him, they guy has no work and stops teaching, it is a vicious circle and it’s nothing but a suicide trip for the industry.

It seems to be an honor to take lessons in Karate, or in a Tennis center, or at a Golf Club, every member does, they all feel honor bound to support their teaching pro. They all show him respect. In a pool hall most of the players feel superior to that guy and have some attitude they are all better and know more than him. It’s like some failure on their part if they have to take a lesson. Some want the lessons at another place so nobody will see them getting one. Pool has a bad attitude on lessons, very bad.

The players must change this attitude and begin working with real teachers who will video tape their games and establish strong basics in their stroke and stance. They must feel proud to take a lesson, not embarrassed. You guys have got to start taking lessons and supporting your teachers who live around you. Have your entire league team take an all day Saturday lesson with the guy. Help these people make a decent living and they will in turn help you play pool at a higher level.
 
WHAT JOINT IN A CUE IS BEST

pocoloco12003 said:
Fastman, tell me about joints in cues, I bought mine becuse I was told it was stainless steel, nothing stronger and it was the same one Balbuskea used, he was the best, so thats the best.
I was taught the joint is the most important part of the cue, but I have read you disagee with this.
Why do you think this and what kind of joint do you use.

When I began play, I used Hoppes then Rambos, brass joints, fairly short pins, not real strong, which was ok for straight but not for 9 ball and breaking. Back then we broke with what we played with. You only carried one cue.
Then I moved to the balabuskea and the stainless steel joint, then into a variety of other cues, you name it, I have it. I have 100 cues now hanging on the walls of my studio. Another 100 in boxes. I have cues as old as I am, shafts 50 yrs old that are as pure as new fallen Kansas spring snow. Old hard rock maple wood you cannot get today.

I used to think the joint was the entire key to the cue that was the main thing I was interested in. Today I do not think it really is all that important. I said I would never play with one of those plastic joints all the women are using, never ever, and today here I am using the power piston Meucci. I said the same thing about metal golf drivers when they came in as well, I would rather die that stop hitting my 693 and 925 persimmons, On how painful was it to hang those things of beauty on the wall. Please god of golf, forgive me. You can’t hang on to the past; you must use the current technology. On the wall went my red head tennis racket as well.

Concepts in the game change and you can’t be stuck in the sand of yesterday’s knowledge.

I think the most important thing in a cue is the tip, use a Talisman.
2nd is the ferrule, meucci red dot or 314 has the least deflection.
3rd I want a shaft to give me English, make me look good, help me make the shot, give me the least deflection, red dot no question. 314 are also very good.
4th the joint, plastic, stainless steel, I play with both, Meucci and Schuler, as I said, I really don’t think it matters much. All the cue guys will go ape on this one, but remember this, most of these guys making these cues can’t run 3 friggin balls, what most of them are making is pretty stuff you will buy, what they do not understand or sell is performance.

Some do, yes, most don’t. Here is the key question, who is winning with your cue today, not who won with it in 77, today, give me a name. Did he buy it or did you give the cue to him, do you pay him to use it. Many of these guys will play with a Kmart mop if you pay them 100K a year to use it. I could sign up the entire tour to do that.

Ask that to most of the custom cue guys and they are speechless because most of their sales are to the CCB boys and people who want to show off an expensive cue or one with a new and hot brand name others are going to. So much of this is monkey see, monkey do and monkey buy what monkey see other monkeys using. Give me a cue that out performs all others and I will play with something that looks like a Kmart mop, I do not care, all I want, is total performance. Forget the costs, the looks, the feel or the name. I just want to run out on your butt. You should buy cues on that premise, unfortunately most buy cues on name or prestige, like they buy cars, to impress people.
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Foxtrott said:
That's a few good Ideas and I will try them .We have him on a crate right now . He runs about 2 or 3 at a time and has position in mind for up to three balls .I am very proud of him .
Thank you for your reply


Go to a 7-ll store, they use these coke cases, they are made of heavy plastic, they hold 8 two liter coke bottles, these are stong, you could sit an elephant on them. These cases interlock and stack on top of each other. You could start a little kid off using 3, later cut it down to two, then one when he grows. Tape 3 or two together with duct tape or clear plastic strapping tape so they cannot seperate and the child falls down. They belong to coke or Pepsi, so you probably cannot buy them from the store, but they usually store them behind the store, hint hint....Its really dark back there after the store is closed, hint hint. :D
 
Larry the reason I got turned off to teachers other than pros on tour is that the BCA "instructors" in my area bought all their degrees from one BCA jerk who needs the money. These guys go around claiming to be ceritfied BCA instructors cant play a lick but go to every minor tournament or league play and act out their fantasy on unsuspecting pool beginning enthusiasts. They couldnt run a rack to save their lives and would never bet against anyone who could give them game. Rather they will got to an open tournament and luck in the nine ball and go around saying "Yeah I beat Efren, Parica, Macready once". They wont say won the game but lost the set but give the feeling that they were in the same league as the real pros. Its no question but maybe a reason why people dont trust pool instructors.
 
One local BCA instructor I know has a real attitude enough to repel me.

Larry, the PREDATOR shaft with a Le Pro tip is the first one I ever used giving me cue ball control to some degree. Now I play with a Phillippi shaft having an ivory ferrule, Le Pro tip and 6 inch taper gives me much better cueball control than the Predator. What gives? I chose the ivory ferrule because I had a real hair up my *** to try it and the results were more than satisfying.
 
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FL:

Your information concerning Talisman tips seems invaluable. I just ordered 4 medium Talisman Pro (pigskin) tips that are already domed and I intend to replace my Le Pro tip with one.
 
Yobagua:

An instructor isn't necessarily the best player; think of Tiger Woods, Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer. All 3 players received instruction since the terrible 2's and became the greatest. Yet, their instructors didn't. The one gift that a true instructor possesses is the ability to convey information and to correct the stroke although their own game might not be the best. And salesmanship helps a heckuva lot, too.
 
kokopuffs said:
Yobagua:

An instructor isn't necessarily the best player; think of Tiger Woods, Jack Nicklaus and Arnold Palmer. All 3 players received instruction since the terrible 2's and became the greatest. Yet, their instructors didn't. The one gift that a true instructor possesses is the ability to convey information and to correct the stroke although their own game might not be the best. And salesmanship helps a heckuva lot, too.

This is true, however, golf has a better system of "raising" teaching pros. There are some guys out there w/ no good training and such, but overall golf teaching pros know a lot and are good players, but not tour caliber. Both Tiger's instuctor and Nicklaus's could play, although they were not tour quality champs. (There wasn't much of a tour when Nicklaus's teacher came up for that matter.) But you are right that being a teacher and a player are different. And sometimes the best players are the worst teachers. Their greatness stems from something within them, how their mind and body works. They can't necessarily convey what they do very well. This is more true in pool than in golf as pool has less instruction to begin with, but you would still usually want to take a lesson from a pro who teaches tour players rather than the player. Some can do both. I had a hell of a lesson one time from Paul Runyan. He could play and teach for sure. He was way past his playing days tho, and devoted many years to teaching and being a club pro.
 
yobagua said:
Larry the reason I got turned off to teachers other than pros on tour is that the BCA "instructors" in my area bought all their degrees from one BCA jerk who needs the money. These guys go around claiming to be ceritfied BCA instructors cant play a lick but go to every minor tournament or league play and act out their fantasy on unsuspecting pool beginning enthusiasts. They couldnt run a rack to save their lives and would never bet against anyone who could give them game. Rather they will got to an open tournament and luck in the nine ball and go around saying "Yeah I beat Efren, Parica, Macready once". They wont say won the game but lost the set but give the feeling that they were in the same league as the real pros. Its no question but maybe a reason why people dont trust pool instructors.

Fast replies: Oh man did you nail this one on the head. My mistake here is seeing this just from my point of view, the teachers, thanks for giving me the players point of view on this back. Where the system is fatally flawed is you do not go to BCA employees to gain certification but to your competitors for this. When you walk in the door with money, he graduates you, because to flunk you he does not get paid. A monkey or wonder dog could walk in with money and walk out being certified.

I recommened that any one who becomes a teacher should have to prove he can run 3 friggin balls. The minimum I proposed was make the guy prove he can break and run a simple rack of 8 ball in one hour. Then prove he can do the same at 9 ball. If he can't do that, he has no business teaching my dog to play pool.

A bunch of these bozos cant run 3 friggin balls, this it for real. To teach you do not have to play pro speed, but if you cant at least run a rack, there are too many things you do not understand and can't pass on. I told the BCA all of this and they laughed in my face and I tore up the certificate I bought and went out on my own. Their entire system needs a massive and total overhaul and the corrupt way it works is the first thing that needs to go. The top tier is making money on this and want to keep the gravy train rolling. That is why they keep graduating bozos who cant run 3 friggin balls. :D
 
I was surprised to hear that there really aren't any minimum standards that one has to achieve to become rated as a certified BCA instructor. But then why should I be surprised when I think of how the Florida schools are run. In Florida anyone who attains a "B" in High School is guaranteed to get into college so the teachers are making sure that everyone gets at least a B.

But no matter what credentials a pool instructor has, if the student doesn't learn from him he simply will not go back to him/her.

Are there minimum requirements for a person to get into a BCA school? We don't have any instructors, BCA or otherwise, here near Ocala, Fl (within 50 miles) so I really have nothing to base an opinion on their quality.

I wouldn't expect an instructor to necessarily be a pro quality player but I would exect him/her to be able to compete (either now or in the past) in the top quarter of the Amateur tournaments.

Unfortunately, most of the top players around here just don't have the finances to open a school, nor the intelligence to operate one. And like you say, anytime someone attempts to teach then the other players at his level or above put him down.

I think it all stems from all the pool players competing against each other and getting handicaps instead of having different classes where the players can compete against players at their own level. The weak players get a handicap and beat a top player and right away they think they are just as good as the top player. Afterall, they did beat him, never mind that they were getting the 6 and the last 3 and they lucked in the 9 accidently twice.

And of course, most of the players I know around here just don't care. They play a few times a week and are happy.

Jake
 
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