At Stan Shuffett's house.

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JB Cases said:
Do you know how this match came to be? It's because I put up a post on One Pocket.org detailing how CTE helped me personally in a one pocket match playing $80 one pocket. I begged Lou and SJD to stay out of it but they couldn't do it. I told Lou he has 9:8 for $100 a game. The barking then led to someone else making a 20k challenge to me and I responded with a 10k challenge. Lou said I was a two bit sucker if I didn't want to play for 20k. You see this guy is nothing more than a playground bully. He won't dare challenge anyone with known skill to play for any amount. He thinks he has the nuts and can steal from me but he will find out that the first time I beat him wasn't a fluke.

Lou on the other hand is one of those people who can't just simply say it's not for him, he has to go further and say it's a sham and that Stan Shuffett is a con-artist. And he dogs everyone who steps up to testify the other way. So I get it that you think it's a shame that Lou and are at odds here. But don't be confused by his pretty writing because the fact is that it's self-centered, often laden with falsehoods, and lacking in actual substance. In ten years Lou has rarely posted anything that is actually helpful to any player. Stan on the other hand posts almost exclusively content that is helpful to improve anyone's game.
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John, I know it is fruitless to try and impart anything to you, that doesn't fit in with your "all about me", egotistical mindset !..But for anyone who cares, I need to vent a little myself...First of all, I don't remember the 'challenge' coming about, even remotely close, to the way you describe it...I cannot speak for Lou, and I may have missed something that caused you to go on tilt, but I seriously doubt he ever specifically called Stan a 'sham artist'...He was simply, (as I often do) railing on the subject of aiming systems in general.

I shared a very personal PM with you, that you respected for about 5 minutes, then you resumed your childish attack mode..My mistake ! I can only speak to the way you have tried to discredit, and debase me. And granted, I have responded in kind, so I will allow it may be a "chicken, egg thing".

No need to tell you, that both Lou and I, are of the same opinion, on "aiming systems".. Where you are way off base, is accusing me of being anti-Stan Shuffett !..I have never called him a 'snake oil salesman', that is just YOUR way of inciting this ongoing flame war..I have said repeatedly, that Stan is a quality individual, a nice guy, and an excellent instructor..

I have also said, that many people may benefit from his teachings, especially people like yourself, where there is so much room for improvement !..By that I mean, that Stan can surely improve on anyones limited skills, but you insist that you can become a 'world class player', if you just follow his teachings ! You don't seem ready to admit, after buying every aiming method that was ever invented, that it is just NOT going to happen for you !

You refuse to admit, that guys like RA, Taylor, Lassiter, Mosconi, SVB etc. were born with the right instincts, and physical attributes, to make them 'world class player's.. Call it 'natural born talent, or HAMB, whatever.. Ninety-eight percent of the top player's, would scoff at your idea, that an 'aiming system' is necessary to reach their level of play, and they would be right in doing so.

So lets end this juvenile insult trading..For once in your life, stop berating everyone who doesn't agree with you..It is almost past unbearable.. Plus, it will be a bitter pill to swallow, when you finally (if ever) wake up and realize you were (gasp) WRONG !
 
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Yay, another bullshit JB thread where he argues with people and issues worthless wagers.

Oh yeah, and it is everyone else's fault, forgot that part.
 
SJDinPHX said:
John, I know it is fruitless to try and impart anything to you, that doesn't fit in with your "all about me", egotistical mindset !..But for anyone who cares, I need to vent a little myself...First of all, I don't remember the 'challenge' coming about, even remotely close, to the way you describe it...I cannot speak for Lou, and I may have missed something that caused you to go on tilt, but I seriously doubt he ever specifically called Stan a 'sham artist'...He was simply, (as I often do) railing on the subject of aiming systems in general.
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It happened exactly as I described it. I don't know if it's all still up on OnePocket.org but if it is then anyone can easily follow the progression.



I shared a very personal PM with you, that you respected for about 5 minutes, then you resumed your childish attack mode..My mistake ! I can only speak to the way you have tried to discredit, and debase me. And granted, I have responded in kind, so I will allow it may be a "chicken, egg thing".
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Nonsense. I have been very kind with you considering what you have done and said about me in the name of "woofing". Behind the scenes I have told a lot of people not to sweat your brand of barking and that it was simply poolroom banter. However you have allowed yourself to be extra cutting and even to the point where you have ruined a good thread where I was simply extolling my experience here with Stan.

No need to tell you, that both Lou and I, are of the same opinion, on "aiming systems".. Where you are way off base, is accusing me of being anti-Stan Shuffett !..I have never called him a 'snake oil salesman', that is just YOUR way of inciting this ongoing flame war..I have said repeatedly, that Stan is a quality individual, a nice guy, and an excellent instructor..
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I have never accused you of being anti-Stan. Don't know where you are getting this but the fact of it that in a general sense when you dog aiming system users you are in fact anit-Stan and anti-system-instructor.

I have also said, that many people may benefit from his teachings especially people like yourself..By that I mean, that Stan can surely improve on your limited skills, but you insist that you can become a 'world class player', if you just follow his teachings ! You don't seem ready to admit, after buying every aiming method that was ever invented, that it is just NOT going to happen for you !
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What isn't going to happen for me? Have I ever stated that my goal is to become a world class player? No I never said that. I said I am in love with this game again and enjoying my journey and am a better player now than I was four months ago. Ten years ago I beat your boy easily in a rinky dink event and he has seen me in person five times since then never once asking me to play for money. So I feel like I was ready to beat him four months ago and I am even more prepared now.

You refuse to admit, that guys like RA, SVB, Lassiter, Mosconi, etc. were born with the right instincts, to make them 'world class player's. Call it 'natural born talent, or HAMB, whatever.. Ninety-eight percent of the top player's, would scoff at your idea, that an 'aiming system' is necessary to reach their level of play, and they would be right in doing so.
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I don't refuse to admit anything. Whatever I have said about talent vs training is from studies and books that I have read. You disagree with the science and I don't.

So lets end this juvenile insult trading..For once in your life, stop berating everyone who doesn't agree with you..It is almost past unbearable.. Plus, it will be a bitter pill to swallow, when you finally (if ever) wake up and realize you were (gasp) WRONG !
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It's up to you. I have never attacked you first ever. I respect that you were a good player. I do respect your inclusion into the hall of fame. I have enjoyed some of the barking and tried to give back as good as I get. But you are 100% wrong about me and you always have been.

I can respect that you are a curmudgeon when it comes to aiming systems but you are completely wrong about how effective they are and completely wrong about what the goal of teaching them is. The goal of teaching them is simply to give the player a solid and objective foundation to build on. If you were more open minded then you would allow yourself to be amazed at how ProOne in particular expands the arsenal of shots in one pocket into higher percentage shots rather than half-flyers due to guessing.

And since you decided to make yourself the head cheerleader on Lou's behalf, not even letting Lou speak for himself, you have gotten progressively meaner. So it's easy to not be confronted by me, stop confronting me. Let Lou speak for himself.

Leave me alone and you will never have any issue with me.
 
MahnaMahna said:
Yay, another bullshit JB thread where he argues with people and issues worthless wagers.

Oh yeah, and it is everyone else's fault, forgot that part.
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Not any wagers. Payment for performance. Do the task and get paid.

And this was a perfectly fine peaceful thread until OTHER people jumped in with attacking buillshit. Sorry the facts don't agree with you.
 
oldroller said:
funny very funny
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Really, how so. Lou is in a room with a guy that he's dead nuts favored to beat out of a lot of money but runs home wagging his tail, now that's funny. Why didn't Lou play at Derby city? he knew John would be there.
 
You were spouting off all over here about CTE, tried to bring it over to 1p.org, and the mod did exactly what the mods here should do, ban you and your constant nonsense. But keep spinning it you poor victim you.
 
JB Cases said:
As for Lou - listen, if you had learned something new and great and some jerkoff who doesn't even know you were to go off on you and tell you it's worthless and you aren't any good and you will never be good as long as you mess around with such methods then you might bristle up too. And then if that same guy went on to call the teachers of these methods frauds and conmen you might be offended if you knew those people to be good and honest.

Lou is ONLY influential on here. Because he can write so eloquently people automatically assume he knows more than he does and is better than he is. In his local area he is reviled and barely tolerated. In fact the most diplomatic description of him that I have heard is simply "Lou is Lou".

Do you know how this match came to be? It's because I put up a post on One Pocket.org detailing how CTE helped me personally in a one pocket match playing $80 one pocket. I begged Lou and SJD to stay out of it but they couldn't do it. I told Lou he has 9:8 for $100 a game. The barking then led to someone else making a 20k challenge to me and I responded with a 10k challenge. Lou said I was a two bit sucker if I didn't want to play for 20k. You see this guy is nothing more than a playground bully. He won't dare challenge anyone with known skill to play for any amount. He thinks he has the nuts and can steal from me but he will find out that the first time I beat him wasn't a fluke.

I don't think of myself as influential. But what I am is a staunch advocate of CTE/ProOne because it just flat out works. So I am the head cheerleader so to speak. I don't like bullies who try to keep other people from trying methods that might help their game, I say might but I really mean that it's more like 95% WILL help their game.

Lou on the other hand is one of those people who can't just simply say it's not for him, he has to go further and say it's a sham and that Stan Shuffett is a con-artist. And he dogs everyone who steps up to testify the other way. So I get it that you think it's a shame that Lou and are at odds here. But don't be confused by his pretty writing because the fact is that it's self-centered, often laden with falsehoods, and lacking in actual substance. In ten years Lou has rarely posted anything that is actually helpful to any player. Stan on the other hand posts almost exclusively content that is helpful to improve anyone's game.

I can tell you right now that the bad blood will NOT end with the match. I extended my hand in peace twice and Lou broke the peace once and rebuffed my apology another time.

Win or lose, Lou will be Lou and CTE/ProOne will continue to gain ground as the solid method it is. Lou and his fellow naysayers couldn't kill it with all their negativity and losing one match to a inflated bobblehead like him won't kill it now. But if I win, then what? I think you guys will get treated to some fun one pocket where I show you exactly what CTE/ProOne can do for a full time case maker/part-time pool player.
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I thought that might be the case based upon how Lou conducts himself on this forum.

JoeyA
 
This is my first, probably last chime in with all these threads. I use CTE myself and it really helped me a great deal. A very solid system and I back Pro One all the way. I played with Lou numerous times and watched his one pocket games. I can't say that I have seen John play a lot, but I did watch him at The Break a week ago play some one hole, and in my opinion, he doesn't have a fu**'n chance. That's all by watching how he moved the cue ball, not to mention all the shots he missed. Now this has nothing to do with aiming systems mind you, moving the rock is moving the rock, no pockets neccessary. I have to favor Lou in that matchup. Peace.
 
About the only thing I have to say about all this is: hearing that someone is rearranging their mechanics (to the point of body ache) and pouring a lot of CTE nonsense into their head -- one month before a match -- is like "a gift from Baby Jesus."

Lou Figueroa
with apologies to
Kathy Griffin
 
MahnaMahna said:
You were spouting off all over here about CTE, tried to bring it over to 1p.org, and the mod did exactly what the mods here should do, ban you and your constant nonsense. But keep spinning it you poor victim you.
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Incorrect.
 
lfigueroa said:
About the only thing I have to say about all this is: hearing that someone is rearranging their mechanics (to the point of body ache) and pouring a lot of CTE nonsense into their head -- one month before a match -- is like "a gift from Baby Jesus."

Lou Figueroa
with apologies to
Kathy Griffin
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Let's double the bet then. - Baby Jesus
 
JStarkweather said:
This is my first, probably last chime in with all these threads. I use CTE myself and it really helped me a great deal. A very solid system and I back Pro One all the way. I played with Lou numerous times and watched his one pocket games. I can't say that I have seen John play a lot, but I did watch him at The Break a week ago play some one hole, and in my opinion, he doesn't have a fu**'n chance. That's all by watching how he moved the cue ball, not to mention all the shots he missed. Now this has nothing to do with aiming systems mind you, moving the rock is moving the rock, no pockets neccessary. I have to favor Lou in that matchup. Peace.
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Thanks, will send your jelly after the match. Can you get Lou to double the bet please.

I spent 600 on advertising costs at the Break. Looks like they worked. :-)
 
lfigueroa said:
About the only thing I have to say about all this is: hearing that someone is rearranging their mechanics (to the point of body ache) and pouring a lot of CTE nonsense into their head -- one month before a match -- is like "a gift from Baby Jesus."

Lou Figueroa
with apologies to
Kathy Griffin
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As if you have such a lot of big match experience to draw from. Why don't you post a list of all the big action matches you have played in?

Oh that's right, there are none.

Well OK then how about a list of the big one pocket tournaments you won?

None again?

Oh well I suppose you mean the pool donation vacations you have taken have given you the insight on how one is supposed to prepare for a match like this? Is that it?

Are you going to write a long flowery post on how one should prepare for big matches now?

There is a gift from Jesus coming but it isn't in your direction.
 
Now we're getting somewhere... Jack it up-bet!! My SBE trip is gunna be fun this year. Have ya'll got the 'streaming' set-up/cut-up yet?

R
 
rhatten said:
Now we're getting somewhere... Jack it up-bet!! My SBE trip is gunna be fun this year. Have ya'll got the 'streaming' set-up/cut-up yet?

R
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Not sure what you mean but the streaming area probably won't be set up until about a week before the event.

Remember that this starts on the 18th - two days after the SBE ends.
 
Well, we are on the road after four great days with Stan. I can't recommend enough that anyone interested in getting high quality lessons go see this man. Everything about him and his teaching is quality through and through. He expects the best of himself and gives the best of himself to the student.

Knoxville Tennessee is the next stop for a few days to see Tip and Rack master Renfro and get some more one pocket experience against them southern boys. Then on to Oklahoma to reload on cases (still got some on the van for those of you who want to donate gas money in exchange for high quality gear) and then to Olathe to test the waters again in the Midwest Tour's Shooters one hole event. Then we are going to head East to the big show :-)
 
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