At what point is a celbration of a pool win out of line in your opinion?

[Straightpool_99]

I'm in no way saying this is an American issue, but probably a "Western" one. I remember watching the WPC 2012 stream when Darren Appleton went full retard at the end. I was frankly embarrassed on behalf of all pool players. You could see from the look on the locals faces, that they too wondered what the hell was wrong with that guy. Not only did he behave in a manner that was completely ridiculous, he disrespected the venue and their equipment, not only walking on the table, but stomping on the rail (hard) on his way down. I mean look at this crap:https://youtu.be/YLXYI_t5Ydk?t=321

I had a guy go full Appleton on me in my first tournament, as a C player (in the semi-finals, double lol). Combined with sharking and other non-sportsmanlike behavior it turned me off tournament play for a decade and I only recently started playing in them again. I just didn't want to associate with people who could take a behavior lesson from a chimp. My opponent was a much more advanced player, that should have known better. I actually thought that was what the pool players around here behaved like in tournaments, at that time. Later I found out that the guy was well known for going full retard, both being unsportsmanlike and super aggressive as well.

 

[Texas Carom Club]

That's just absolutely absurd, one that sticks in my mind as well, then starts huffing and puffing

 

[justinb386]

Where do you draw the line? The line being the point where you or others physically intervene or sternly warn the person?

Throwing cue stick / balls?

Shouting extremely loudly?

Jumping on the table?

Running around the poolroom in circles, whilst high fiving?

Shouting derogatory comments to ones opponent?

All of the above?

None of the above?

I have seen Champions do number 2, 3, and 4 (on your list), but I have never seen a Champion (or a winner of a match) do this "Throwing cue stick / balls", or this "Shouting derogatory comments to ones opponent". I would say that the least of the worst things that you could do after winning a match (out of the obove things mentioned) would be #2 (Shouting extremely loudly). I would have to say my answer would be All of the above.

 

[justinb386]

I would say all of the above, but that is just me.

I'm not the type to express that much emotion whether I win or lose.

FWIW, I have never banged or thrown a pool cue or ball in my life. Nor have I ever jumped on a table...I don't even sit on them. I grew up and worked in a pool hall for quite a few years and I learned what NOT to do.

Please forgive me if I am wrong, but I think I remember Darren Appleton jumping on the pool table (and yelling?) after winning the World 9 ball Championship one year. I thought it was very poor sportsmanship.

 

[justinb386]

This guy just won the world championship.
https://youtu.be/bOFziNwwp1U?t=548

That's a decent "celebration".

He is a class act. Pretty good behavior after winning that title, plus $250,000 pounds.

 

[justinb386]

A backflip on to the edge of the pool table, followed by a front flip right into a power kneeling stance, pumping fist while yelling "booyashaka!!"

Make sure you shake opponents hand before trying this. We are sportsmen after all.

Lol, that is funny.

 

[Neil]

He is a class act. Pretty good behavior after winning that title, plus $250,000 pounds.

What do you expect? After all, it was just a snooker tournament. It's not like it was a pool tournament or something.

 

[justinb386]

I would say that if you walk over to your opponent, grab his cue, and break it in half while yelling "you don't deserve a cue!". You might be taking it a little too far.

Seriously though, how many posting here jump up an yell when you see your favorite football team win ONE game? If a football team wins the superbowl, you usually see riots in the streets.

Why is it deemed perfectly acceptable to show emotion in football and other sports, but not in pool? People constantly complain that they don't want a bunch of robots playing pool, then complain when a little emotion is shown.

When was the last time you saw a player show a lot of emotion for winning one match in a tournament that wasn't the final match? It's pretty rare for that to happen. So, the emotion is being shown at the end of the tournament. That's equivalent to a mini-superbowl in football. If you can't show emotion then, then when can you?

Fans in football see no problem with jumping up and down and screaming when their team wins a game, and the person showing the emotion wasn't even playing at all. Yet, the same person finds it distasteful for the person that actually won the whole shebang to jump up on a table? Doesn't make any sense to me.

Making noise while roothing for your favorite team (or any sport) is completely different then making noise and other out of the ordinary behavior after winning a pool match. This is pool, not other sports. You should act in the same fashion that most other Champions of pool, or snooker have acted. Jumping up on a pool table (and yelling) is just poor sportsmanship in my opinion (even if it is after shaking your opponents hand).

 

[justinb386]

I watched Alex dance on the table after winning the US Open.

Lol, no kidding? That is not cool.

 

[justinb386]

Many years ago, our pool room used to run Race to One, double elimination events. Lost a game to a guy who had never beaten me before. He literally ran around the pool room cue raised above his head in celebration. Think that was somewhat over the top. Laughed last as I still won the tournament!

Lyn

Lol, that is really funny. He thought he was some type of Champion for beating you 1 single game. That is funny. Very bad behavior on his part.

 

[justinb386]

This times 1,000!!! I am no where near being a pro-player, so when I win a local BCA tourney with 32 of our top players, yes I fell like I won the US OPEN and yes I will do a Tiger fist pump and get excited. I mean I know the work I put in to get there, so I want to celebrate. Of course I am not at any point trying to demean anyone, I still shake hands.....but I get pretty stoked if I win.

Did you shake hands before or after doing your celebrating? I remember this guy beat me in a 9 ball match, to win his team a trip to Vegas (it was a very close match, by the way, and it was for the trip to Vegas, with the losing team not getting to go), and he ran around the table yelling, and giving high fives to all of his team mates, before finally walking over to me and shaking my hand. It did not really bother me (the way he acted, before shaking my hand). I felt like a loser for playing so bad, and I felt like I really let my team down (they were really unhappy with me too, by the way).

 

[justinb386]

I found that one pretty distasteful, myself. Francisco had lost his infant daughter just days prior. Strickland wins the world title, jumps onto the table, says "I'm the king of the world now", then jumps down and shakes Francisco's hand. I pretty much lost every shred of respect I had for Earl after I saw that.

https://youtu.be/zw5YY8pBV8Y?t=3940

Yeah, he could have at least shook Bustamante's hand before he jumped on the table, lol.

 

[justinb386]

Uh, yeah. They are still people with the same emotions. That doesn't change just because there are more of them.

Yeah, but one should refrain themselves from acting out loud (in an obnoxious way) in pool, because pool is not football.

 

[justinb386]

Never mind.

 

[justinb386]

Dunno, that was quite an impressive backflip ;-)

If someone wins an event I think they're entitled to celebrate, so long as they still shake hands.

Yeah, but the least you can do is shake hands before acting really obnoxious, right? Maybe obnoxious is not the correct word to describe some players behavior after winning. I find myself constantly looking up the meanings of words, lol.

 

[justinb386]

Where do you draw the line? The line being the point where you or others physically intervene or sternly warn the person?

Throwing cue stick / balls?

Shouting extremely loudly?

Jumping on the table?

Running around the poolroom in circles, whilst high fiving?

Shouting derogatory comments to ones opponent?

All of the above?

None of the above?

How about celebrating after your opponent misses?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAjrTe5s0Ps

That was really shocking for me, and it came from my all time most loved player.

 

[PocketSpeed11]

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[BurritoBandido]

Did you shake hands before or after doing your celebrating? I remember this guy beat me in a 9 ball match, to win his team a trip to Vegas (it was a very close match, by the way, and it was for the trip to Vegas, with the losing team not getting to go), and he ran around the table yelling, and giving high fives to all of his team mates, before finally walking over to me and shaking my hand. It did not really bother me (the way he acted, before shaking my hand). I felt like a loser for playing so bad, and I felt like I really let my team down (they were really unhappy with me too, by the way).

As soon as the game ends I make eye contact and shake hands with my opponent, win or lose. The celebrating is afterward. The fist pump tho is a mental anchor, I do that the moment the winning ball drops.

 

[dougdpictures]

APA been doing it since day one.