atlanta tournament

[gromulan]

I don't particularly care for seeding. It's one of the reasons why every time you turn on a pool telecast of the WPBA you only every see allison or karen. Some new faces would go a long way towards fan appeal. I'm of the opinion that top players can look after themselves when it comes to making their way through an unseeded draw - they don't need any help from seeding. I for one would like to see some early round upsets and some new players in the finals. I actually thought that was the point of the atlanta tournament to begin with.

Seeding has it's place in big events, but in a smaller, 'open' tournament with no televsion and no huge title on the line, why not leave it unseeded? Whoever makes it to the finals will be deserving, make no mistake, and the excitement and the drama that results if two relative unknowns make it will be well worth the loss of a top player early on.

Seeding is done in virtually every tournament on the planet, whether it's March Madness, NFL playoffs, match play golf tournaments, or tennis tournaments. Players who do well and maintain a high ranking are rewarded, as they should be. This helps to maintain the quality of play as a tournament progresses. I wholeheartedly agree with you, including the "divulging of this information to players before they pay" part.



As a fan of the game, and someone who applies a thought process to most things, I disagree with you! (note the wholly unnecessary exclamation!) Seeding maintains a high level of play as rounds progress! Who wants to see two NOBODIES in the final of a tournament just because the two or three best players had to knock each other out in the first/second rounds?!? Oh wait, you do...! (Why am I not surprised!) As a FAN, I want to see good pool, which may or may not include Gremlin's stalkee of the month! Aren't tournaments supposed to be about who the best player is, not who got the best draw?!?

-djb <-- !!!

 

[Williebetmore]

Do we really need to add "luck of the draw" into professional tournaments to spice them up? Is the game really that uninteresting? Is there already not enough luck involved in the outcome of short race 9 ball? Perhaps we should just change over to paper/rock/scissors in an attempt to have a different face in the finals each week (the world champion of paper/rock/scissors was on Conan O'Brien last week, not Allison). The more luck you add into the sport, the more marginal it becomes (IMHO). I agree with Grady Mathews that changing to 9 ball has not done a great deal for the image or popularity of the sport (??spoken like a true straight pool curmudgeon??).

 

[Eieio59]

Hey there Tammie !! How the heck have you been ? People around here ask me from time to time how you are and if I have ran into you at any tournaments.

Thanks for being in agreement with me. You are a great player and understand where I am coming from. I know I personally don't want a tournament handed to me no matter if I am the best or worst player. Just do the dang draw and lets get to making balls !!!!!!!

Send me a message and let me know what you have been up to so I can tell everyone. Dave Perrodin says "I wonder what happened to Tammie. She was such a great player". He teases me about how you would beat me to get me fired up. LOL I wish you could come down so we can square off and give him an answer. Would just like to know you are still using your talent !!!
So let me know so I can tell him. Last I heard you were in Kansas.

Take care and it was great to hear from you.

Sincerely,


Lisa

Well.... still playing a little here and there. Just making 6 or 7 events a year and trying to make do. Took a few years off after getting married and having a little girl but you know how it is.... it (pool) just won't turn loose! Living in Indiana - have a little pool room here and just kicking back. I try to keep up with whats going on out there but it's tough when you don't get out often. My daughter is now 5 (6 in April) and we played together in the BCA State Tournament last week in the Youth/Adult Scotch Doubles. She did really well - I think she's got "it". I was hoping for a golfer, but looks like we've got a pool player instead!

How are you? Been seeing you all over the results - especially in the smaller tours and in the WPBA events/qualifiers. Sounds like you're doing good. Tell Dave (and everybody else) hi for me. I never get thru there like I used to. Haven't even been to Tulsa in a few years. Think I'll have to make a trip out there and if so I'll stop in and say hey. Are they having any tournaments nowadays in Ark.? If so, where and who is doing the winning???? Is Brian Goldman still playing any? I would really like to make it over to Oaklawn before they close this year. Anyway... fill me in on whats happening...... send me email.....

Tammie Jones

 

[gromulan]

I agree with you on some levels, but I think there's valid arguments on both sides of this issue. For one thing, top players can take care of themselves in a blind draw, and for another even in a seeded draw there's still a 'luck-of-the-draw' factor. Consider situations where very good players are unseeded and cause early round clashes. How about Dennis Hatch in the 01 US Open, who was unseeded and knocked Bustamante out in about round 3. I would call it a little unlucky from Django's point of view that such a good player found his way into my section of the draw.

Also, in the current double-elimination format of pool tournaments, the luck of the draw is negated somewhat by being able to lose once and still reach the finals. In matchplay golf and tennis the events are SINGLE elimination, don't forget, and thus seeding is a little more valid.

I like to see a good final as much as anyone, and like everyone I can think of no better final for any tournament than to have the #1 against the #2. Yet I have found (in all sports) that as often as not the finals tend to be somewhat anticlimatic (case in point, most Super Bowls), and that having a blind draw tends to add more excitement to the ENTIRE tournament, where a seeded draw takes a lot away from the early rounds.

Make no mistake though, if I'm one of the seeded players, then I LOVE seeded draws. Can't get enough of them then

Do we really need to add "luck of the draw" into professional tournaments to spice them up? Is the game really that uninteresting? Is there already not enough luck involved in the outcome of short race 9 ball? Perhaps we should just change over to paper/rock/scissors in an attempt to have a different face in the finals each week (the world champion of paper/rock/scissors was on Conan O'Brien last week, not Allison). The more luck you add into the sport, the more marginal it becomes (IMHO). I agree with Grady Mathews that changing to 9 ball has not done a great deal for the image or popularity of the sport (??spoken like a true straight pool curmudgeon??).

 

[amatuer]

seeding

I am totally against seedings in a tournament. To my understaanding A few years ago the wpba did not do this. While this organization has been great for the success of women's pool, It is basically a monopoly and it is almost impossible for an outsider to enter. The qualifying system is old and antiquated and it costs a young woman a lot of money. It is also not easy to get sponsors. Back to the seeding system, It is a device to assure higher paydays for the women that are at the top and paid thier "dues". Allison and Karen have no reason to be afraid of the other players, the've finished one-two in over 90% of the tournaments the last five years. There is no real money for the lesser players. Ms. Rogers finished 36th or 38th on the money list and won around $4,000.
After all Allison was beaten by Angel 9-0 in a tournament last year. Lets have a lot more open women's tournaments that are unseeded. By the way ,why is the US open for women a closed tournament. It should be open to all women who want to play. Sorry I've rambled but there are things that people should kniow.