Attitudes towards practice

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(forget it. not worth the aggravation, nor dragging the thread the wrong way)

I think you are missing his point. He's just saying that if one REALLY wants to get good , he will find the time. In other words, not just DESIRE to get better, but really, really, really, want to. People spend time according to their priorities. For you, and most of us, it is work and family. Those two take top priority, we want them more than we want to get better at pool.

There's nothing wrong with that at all. In fact, most people think that someone that does put pool right up there in their priorities has their priorities screwed up. He's not saying everyone SHOULD find the time, just that the time is there if they want it bad enough.

We all would "like" to play better. Heck, I'd like to play like I used to. I have a table at home, and am retired. Yet, I don't practice like I know I need to to really get better. Why?? The priority isn't there. It isn't there, because I know there is nothing at the end of the rainbow. Nothing to gain but playing better, and what it takes is not worth the effort to me. Can't play in long drawn out tournaments any more, and there's no regular action where I am at. So, I just practice enough to maintain and slowly get a little better.

I think you are just confusing, or combining "wanting to get better" (would like to play better than I currently do) with "really wanting to get better" (I'm going to get better, whatever it takes). The latter takes priority shifts that most aren't willing to make.
 
I know a guy who spends at least 2 hours a day in his garage tweaking his latest car project...

no one is condemning him for sacrificing his job and family

I know someone else who spends several hours a night in the winter grooming snowmobile trails for his local snowmobile club.

no one is condemning him for sacrificing his job and family

I know another guy loves to ride his Harley he spends hundreds of hours a year on his bike.

no one is condemning him for sacrificing his job and family.

I know a guy who spends hours every night in his basement building model trains..

no one is condemning him for sacrificing his job and family.

you make time for what is important to you pool is no different...

Yeah! My dad spent hours every night in a bar. No one condemned him for sacrificing his job and family!

oh wait... yes they did.

But then again, he actually lost his job and family.

"Sacrifice" is not spending a couple hours a day on something, it's losing other important things for that something.
 
I know another guy loves to ride his Harley he spends hundreds of hours a year on his bike.

no one is condemning him for sacrificing his job and family.
Assuming he has a full-time job (that isn't riding his HD), a lot of people would wonder if he's neglecting his family.

I know a guy who spends hours every night in his basement building model trains..

no one is condemning him for sacrificing his job and family.
Being in the basement is different. He can always take breaks and go upstairs, or the kids can come down to spend time with him (surely they like to see dad's trains). That's why I'd be able to practice more if I had a table at home.

you make time for what is important to you pool is no different...
Yes, and most people see their family as more important than pool. This shouldn't require an explanation.

You said something about American Idol, implying that people who talk about family time are really just loafing. Even if they are, they're still at home and available for their family.
 
I think you are missing his point. He's just saying that if one REALLY wants to get good , he will find the time. In other words, not just DESIRE to get better, but really, really, really, want to. People spend time according to their priorities. For you, and most of us, it is work and family. Those two take top priority, we want them more than we want to get better at pool.

There's nothing wrong with that at all. In fact, most people think that someone that does put pool right up there in their priorities has their priorities screwed up. He's not saying everyone SHOULD find the time, just that the time is there if they want it bad enough.

We all would "like" to play better. Heck, I'd like to play like I used to. I have a table at home, and am retired. Yet, I don't practice like I know I need to to really get better. Why?? The priority isn't there. It isn't there, because I know there is nothing at the end of the rainbow. Nothing to gain but playing better, and what it takes is not worth the effort to me. Can't play in long drawn out tournaments any more, and there's no regular action where I am at. So, I just practice enough to maintain and slowly get a little better.

I think you are just confusing, or combining "wanting to get better" (would like to play better than I currently do) with "really wanting to get better" (I'm going to get better, whatever it takes). The latter takes priority shifts that most aren't willing to make.

I didn't miss his point, or yours either. Since I'm just a league hack (and apparently I need to go order some kamui chalk and a predator cue) I couldn't possibly understand....

No, the tone in both of your replies was quite evident.

For the record, you just described it far more eloquently, in this reply. That is not how it was presented earlier....
 
Taking the necessary time to become really proficient at something can be considered either as a sacrifice or selfish. It depends entirely on the circumstances and the values of that person at the time.
 
Taking the necessary time to become really proficient at something can be considered either as a sacrifice or selfish. It depends entirely on the circumstances and the values of that person at the time.

Hi Fran,

I thought women were supposed to use six(6) times more words than men.:wink:

Best Wishes,
 
Well Rick, if you tell me my butt looks too big, there may not be enough bandwith here for my reply.

Fran,

I would probably get a 'full library' because I'm much like Abe Lincoln in the commercial. If you ask the question... but then again women are also very adept at the silent 'treatment' shot where the cue ball travels all around the table (house), 5 or 6 rails & does not make a sound.:wink:

Disclaimer: The above was a metaphor & certainly not intended as a slight on female pool playing ability. ( I know you know.)

Thanks for the chuckle,
 
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I think everyone is different and everyone is right, for them.
I used to love to practice. Not anymore.
It just frustrates me now. It also carries over to the rest of my life to the point of me being miserable.
I'm better off not practicing.
I just go out and play my matches.
On a bar box I can still shoot out the lights. Nine footers send me to pool hell. I think I got dropped from a 7 to a 5 on my Friday afternoon league that is loosely based on APA ratings on 9 footers. I'll find out for sure later today.
I can't beat anyone on the big table. I have a 9 footer here at the house and can't make a ball.
I guess it will be this way at least until next April, when I get another eye operation, and I just need to accept it for what it is.
Things will either get better or not. Practice will not, and does not help.
Taking a break may be the better option for me? :sorry:
 
I think everyone is different and everyone is right, for them.
I used to love to practice. Not anymore.
It just frustrates me now. It also carries over to the rest of my life to the point of me being miserable.
I'm better off not practicing.
I just go out and play my matches.
On a bar box I can still shoot out the lights. Nine footers send me to pool hell. I think I got dropped from a 7 to a 5 on my Friday afternoon league that is loosely based on APA ratings on 9 footers. I'll find out for sure later today.
I can't beat anyone on the big table. I have a 9 footer here at the house and can't make a ball.
I guess it will be this way at least until next April, when I get another eye operation, and I just need to accept it for what it is.
Things will either get better or not. Practice will not, and does not help.
Taking a break may be the better option for me? :sorry:

Shaky1:

How did you initially get rated as a "7" on your Friday league? You must've played pretty good at one point to achieve that skill level. And, did you experience a sudden drop-off in abilities? Meaning, could it be a deteriorating eye condition that's causing this?

Usually, a drastic drop-off in abilities has a root cause. Yes, it can be something that changed in your approach (that's where a good couple of hours of video analysis by a qualified instructor comes in). But it could also be something on the health/medical side as well -- specifically, as you say, the eye situation.

You mention getting another eye operating in April. When you consulted with your eye doctor, did you tell him/her that you're a pool player, and that you're running into issues? Don't forget, he/she can customize any eye correction prescriptions or procedure to make sure these issues are accounted for, and even a focus placed upon them. Otherwise, you just get "general correction for all around good."

Thoughts?
-Sean
 
Shaky1:

How did you initially get rated as a "7" on your Friday league? You must've played pretty good at one point to achieve that skill level. And, did you experience a sudden drop-off in abilities? Meaning, could it be a deteriorating eye condition that's causing this?

Usually, a drastic drop-off in abilities has a root cause. Yes, it can be something that changed in your approach (that's where a good couple of hours of video analysis by a qualified instructor comes in). But it could also be something on the health/medical side as well -- specifically, as you say, the eye situation.

You mention getting another eye operating in April. When you consulted with your eye doctor, did you tell him/her that you're a pool player, and that you're running into issues? Don't forget, he/she can customize any eye correction prescriptions or procedure to make sure these issues are accounted for, and even a focus placed upon them. Otherwise, you just get "general correction for all around good."

Thoughts?
-Sean

I have been getting worse for a few years. My eyes have been getting worse for about the same amount of time. Yes, He knows I'm a pool player, I made sure of that ! I'm starting to develop a "lazy eye" on the left one. That doesn't help at all.
It's taking the "fun" ot of it for me.
I hit a few balls this morning. I don't know why? lol It wasn't good.
I'm off for my Friday beating! lol
 
You mention getting another eye operating in April. When you consulted with your eye doctor, did you tell him/her that you're a pool player, and that you're running into issues? Don't forget, he/she can customize any eye correction prescriptions or procedure to make sure these issues are accounted for, and even a focus placed upon them. Otherwise, you just get "general correction for all around good."

Thoughts?
-Sean

I'm having an eye test next week, in preparation for having a pair of Dennis Taylor's made.

What do I ask/tell the optician?
 
I'm having an eye test next week, in preparation for having a pair of Dennis Taylor's made.

What do I ask/tell the optician?

Ha ha ha ha!!! Ok, give him the dimensions of your face, and make sure to ask about the special "struts" to help support them. ;)

Thanks for the lunchtime chuckle!
-Sean
 
It could help matters to talk about what to practice at practice also. I have some articles online with the shots and techniques I find multiply efforts at the tables...
 
Some players can't wait to get to the table to practice. Some players look at practice as an unsavory and grueling task, like homework, when they'd rather be out doing something more fun.

If you don't enjoy practicing, do you find yourself finding reasons not to practice?

I've encountered this with students who don't even consciously realize how much they hate to practice.

Just some food for thought in case you're one of those players who wants to improve but can't seem to find the time to practice. Maybe you really don't have the time. But just maybe it's something more than that.

Do you really know yourself?

Instructors: Have you noticed this about students?

Guess we've all been offered a pretty penny for shortcuts like "teach me how to put draw on the cue ball, but please, I have no intention of working on my stroke, change any bad habit whatsoever, let alone devote any of my valuable time to practice"?

In some respects, of course, practice is like homework, only that we're assuming students, since they insist they're taking lessons with us to improve their game, should think of practice as fun. Luckily in my experience, this proves to be true most of the time. It's always been one of the differences to me between teaching teens (I used to be a high school teacher) and adult education that people who search out help and are ready to pay for it tend to have a more open and inquisitive mind (they may also be more demanding or exacting in their needs, but that is fine with me). I'm also a firm believer that anyone who's studied didactics should be able to make the learning process fun and not just "work" - the fact that pool is thought of as a "game" by many doesn't automatically make perfecting oneself at it a playful process.

But let me relate the "worst" that's ever happened to me teaching pool: there was this sweet and affable man who'd even bring his supportive and studious wife along to watch his lessons, who, after he paid for eight lessons in advance, never showed up again after the third lesson when I convinced him that he won't profit unless he'd practice in-between lessons. Yes, I did ask the poor guy to show me his "homework" - something I've rarely had to do in all these years because students usually tell me about how it went before I even ask.

It's not like I told him not to show up until he'd do his "homework" either, on the contrary, I have great sympathy for laziness (like all teachers, I used to be a student once, after all). Having said that, I always try to make sure people know what and how to practice before they leave, including video-taping and whenever possible, try to call to their training partner's attention what to look for in their buddy's game.

But in this case, I could see it in the man's eyes that he was dead serious when he said he would not be back before he'd bring himself to practice, wistfully and almost guiltily explaining he could easily see during the lesson what difference it makes that I'd shown him, and loved how his confidence level went up in my presence.

Even so, he apparently didn't put any of what he soaked up so greedily to practice. I contacted him later (he'd prepaid, after all, although I'll admit I genuinely care about all my students), but he not only wouldn't hear of reimbursement, insisting that it was not my fault, and that I was doing a great job, but that he'd be back as soon as he could get his "act together".

I personally don't believe that putting pressure on oneself is for everyone. We (by which I don't just mean we pool players) don't all need to be (like) athletes. There's more to life. Having said that, I do not regard it as my job to tell people what that "more" may be for them individually. Merely that I'd like them to get the most out of the lessons they take with me, whatever that means to them. Basically, when they're happy, I'm happy (not that I'm not proud to see them improve).

Be that as it may, that was the last I heard from that person. Believe me, the experience has since made me wonder if I should send him a yearly Christmas card, or spare him the embarrassment… :scratchhead:

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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But let me relate the "worst" that's ever happened to me teaching pool: there was this sweet and affable man who'd even bring his supportive and studious wife along to watch his lessons, who, after he paid for eight lessons in advance, never showed up again after the third lesson

Lol. You're either very good, or very bad. :smile:
 
Lol. You're either very good, or very bad. :smile:

Guess the jury is still out… ;)

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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„J'ai gâché vingt ans de mes plus belles années au billard. Si c'était à refaire, je recommencerais.“ – Roger Conti
 
Let me throw out another thing re practice....


Is it best to practice alone or with someone?


Jeff Livingston
 
Let me throw out another thing re practice....


Is it best to practice alone or with someone?


Jeff Livingston

Practice alone first. You have to have alone time. So that if you mess something up, you can fix it right there. But.....you also need practice in competition to learn how to handle your emotions in game situations.
 
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