Automatic Aiming

[BeiberLvr]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm-VDuGzJS4

It starts off around the 36 or 37 minute mark. I know Sean has tried to hammer this point across to some people (including myself), but seeing it in video format makes me understand it better.

I've been using Pro One since around Nov. 2012. I played a few cheap sets tonight (before seeing this video), and I was doing exactly like he is. Not looking at any visuals or thinking about a sweep. Simply getting down and firing balls in at will.

This isn't mean to dismiss Pro One in any way. I still think it's the best aiming system out there, and would recommend it to anyone who struggles with making balls. However, like Tor says in the video, aiming systems (CTE, Pro One, GB, SEE, etc.) should only be used temporarily until you can do things automatically.

Extensive knowledge in this game is a wonderful thing, but the less you think about the things you know, the better you'll play.

 

[The Renfro]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm-VDuGzJS4

It starts off around the 36 or 37 minute mark. I know Sean has tried to hammer this point across to some people (including myself), but seeing it in video format makes me understand it better.

I've been using Pro One since around Nov. 2012. I played a few cheap sets tonight (before seeing this video), and I was doing exactly like he is. Not looking at any visuals or thinking about a sweep. Simply getting down and firing balls in at will.

This isn't mean to dismiss Pro One in any way. I still think it's the best aiming system out there, and would recommend it to anyone who struggles with making balls. However, like Tor says in the video, aiming systems (CTE, Pro One, GB, SEE, etc.) should only be used temporarily until you can do things automatically.

Extensive knowledge in this game is a wonderful thing, but the less you think about the things you know, the better you'll play.

It comes down to hardwired vs software... If you are thinking you are using software.. If everything you are doing is without thought you have hardwired your system... Kind of like driving for several hours and not recalling anything about the trip.. You just have done it so many times for so long it's natural....

It can be ghostball, CTE or TOI or whatever... I can take TOI, in stroke, and pretty much run racks as fast as the cueball stops.... In punch I don't aim, I don't think, I just do... And the nights when it works... I don't care who you are you are racking... The main difference is that you have to be able to do it over a long haul.... Even in stroke I can't do it all the time... I have done it for long stretches... Longest was 6 weeks when I thought I would never find the top of the mountain again.....

Everyone says focus is the key to this game... I think it's the letting go.. and letting auto pilot take over... It's not that you lose focus as you get older it's that you have a head full of other things besides pool to get in the way and drag you back to thinking.....

 

[stan shuffett]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm-VDuGzJS4

It starts off around the 36 or 37 minute mark. I know Sean has tried to hammer this point across to some people (including myself), but seeing it in video format makes me understand it better.

I've been using Pro One since around Nov. 2012. I played a few cheap sets tonight (before seeing this video), and I was doing exactly like he is. Not looking at any visuals or thinking about a sweep. Simply getting down and firing balls in at will.

This isn't mean to dismiss Pro One in any way. I still think it's the best aiming system out there, and would recommend it to anyone who struggles with making balls. However, like Tor says in the video, aiming systems (CTE, Pro One, GB, SEE, etc.) should only be used temporarily until you can do things automatically.

Extensive knowledge in this game is a wonderful thing, but the less you think about the things you know, the better you'll play.

CTE PRO ONE is a complete shooting system that is used for a lifetime.
It is a huge mistake to think that one learns this system and then it is no longer used. CTE PRO ONE has its own automatic gear. But the system must be learned first.......

You are right in thinking that your language mind should be put on silence. CTE PRO ONE is a visual/motor system that needs no words once learned. CTE PRO ONE represents a system that can allow a player to become as automatic as possible for this game, objectively and systematically.

Stan Shuffett

 

[lfigueroa]

It comes down to hardwired vs software... If you are thinking you are using software.. If everything you are doing is without thought you have hardwired your system... Kind of like driving for several hours and not recalling anything about the trip.. You just have done it so many times for so long it's natural....

It can be ghostball, CTE or TOI or whatever... I can take TOI, in stroke, and pretty much run racks as fast as the cueball stops.... In punch I don't aim, I don't think, I just do... And the nights when it works... I don't care who you are you are racking... The main difference is that you have to be able to do it over a long haul.... Even in stroke I can't do it all the time... I have done it for long stretches... Longest was 6 weeks when I thought I would never find the top of the mountain again.....

Everyone says focus is the key to this game... I think it's the letting go.. and letting auto pilot take over... It's not that you lose focus as you get older it's that you have a head full of other things besides pool to get in the way and drag you back to thinking.....

If you don't know a task well and you "let go" you will still look like a spastic, unless of course if you're just talking about a simple task like driving on a simple trip. If you're talking about a complex task -- like playing high level pool -- thats another kettle of fish.

If you know a task well you can "let go" and get decent results. (What's actually happening is that you're using different parts of your brain, so it's all still wetware.)

BUT, if you really study and break a task down and stretch the limits of your performance, in tandem with increasing the control of your performance, and then choose to "let go" you're going to get something else.

So it's only after you've gotten to a high level of studied, controlled performance that you can "let go" if you want to get your bestest results.

Lou Figueroa

 

[TomInFaribo]

Watch how they shoot.

Many times I have watched players I know play very good and then a week later can't make a thing. Sometimes it even looks like they are using CTE or some type of system because their pre-shot is so consistent. I believe when people are shooting lights out they are actually using CTE, or some type of system but don't even realize they are. It's just works. You talk with them and they acknowledge that they have no system. Now a month later when they have lost that lights out shooting they don't know what happened and they have nothing to fall back on to get back to that lights out again. It takes days/weeks to get back on top. I hear this all the time. Shot good last week.
With a good aiming system when one starts to fall off that plateau they can "Go back to the basics" and practice the aiming system that brought them there. That's the difference to me. To play good day in and day out you have to have an aiming system.
SVB is a good example. He uses an aiming system and knows exactly what he does. That's why he is so consistent. When hill-hill it is such a confident/great feeling when coming down on the 9 ball and its automatically lined up perfectly. Just have to execute the stroke.

 

[stan shuffett]

Many times I have watched players I know play very good and then a week later can't make a thing. Sometimes it even looks like they are using CTE or some type of system because their pre-shot is so consistent. I believe when people are shooting lights out they are actually using CTE, or some type of system but don't even realize they are. It's just works. You talk with them and they acknowledge that they have no system. Now a month later when they have lost that lights out shooting they don't know what happened and they have nothing to fall back on to get back to that lights out again. It takes days/weeks to get back on top. I hear this all the time. Shot good last week.
With a good aiming system when one starts to fall off that plateau they can "Go back to the basics" and practice the aiming system that brought them there. That's the difference to me. To play good day in and day out you have to have an aiming system.
SVB is a good example. He uses an aiming system and knows exactly what he does. That's why he is so consistent. When hill-hill it is such a confident/great feeling when coming down on the 9 ball and its automatically lined up perfectly. Just have to execute the stroke.

Excellent post!

Stan Shuffett

 

[336Robin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm-VDuGzJS4

It starts off around the 36 or 37 minute mark. I know Sean has tried to hammer this point across to some people (including myself), but seeing it in video format makes me understand it better.

I've been using Pro One since around Nov. 2012. I played a few cheap sets tonight (before seeing this video), and I was doing exactly like he is. Not looking at any visuals or thinking about a sweep. Simply getting down and firing balls in at will.

This isn't mean to dismiss Pro One in any way. I still think it's the best aiming system out there, and would recommend it to anyone who struggles with making balls. However, like Tor says in the video, aiming systems (CTE, Pro One, GB, SEE, etc.) should only be used temporarily until you can do things automatically.

Extensive knowledge in this game is a wonderful thing, but the less you think about the things you know, the better you'll play.

Beiber,
I agree with you to an extent.....but that was a good post....Im an aiming guy who has his own system...and I have a favored cue that I am playing with now. Recently I found myself in a town on business and did not have my cue. A friend of mine arranged a game for me and I had to play off the wall..One Pocket...1st game I nailed the guy.....8 to minus 1....then I started realizing I didnt have my cue I was so used to and got spooked...because I wasnt thinking about anything anymore just playing....then I got him again 8 to 6....then I went down hill some...and I was thinking man that cue has me programmed....cause I had hit the zone you are speaking of....

I went home got my cue a day later and went to the pool room to work it out. Immediately I went back to my standard aiming protocol and just about could not miss....because my feel is centered around my aiming protocol and not going through it with a strange cue in my hand was a mistake.....Many times i just know with a familiar cue what to do..but with a wall cue...I needed to return to basics.

So yes I think it can happen the way you describe but...knowing what you do..how you do it is invaluable when you are playing a good player that doesnt know how to do what he does...he just does it from wrote....its that guy that gets shook up when you keep him in his seat and dont let him shoot....thats how you beat a buy 8 to minus 1 and make it look easy.

The minute a player is off his game and fighting to find his way back to something he doesnt know exactly how to find....increase the bet.

 

[BeiberLvr]

CTE PRO ONE is a complete shooting system that is used for a lifetime.
It is a huge mistake to think that one learns this system and then it is no longer used. CTE PRO ONE has its own automatic gear. But the system must be learned first.......

You are right in thinking that your language mind should be put on silence. CTE PRO ONE is a visual/motor system that needs no words once learned. CTE PRO ONE represents a system that can allow a player to become as automatic as possible for this game, objectively and systematically.

Stan Shuffett

That was my point, and I believe the point that Tor was trying to make as well. It's not that use of the system is temporary, just that the awareness of the system being used is temporary.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would imagine that you never think about your visuals or what sweep is needed when you are playing.

 

[JB Cases]

Beiber,
I agree with you to an extent.....but that was a good post....Im an aiming guy who has his own system...and I have a favored cue that I am playing with now. Recently I found myself in a town on business and did not have my cue. A friend of mine arranged a game for me and I had to play off the wall..One Pocket...1st game I nailed the guy.....8 to minus 1....then I started realizing I didnt have my cue I was so used to and got spooked...because I wasnt thinking about anything anymore just playing....then I got him again 8 to 6....then I went down hill some...and I was thinking man that cue has me programmed....cause I had hit the zone you are speaking of....

I went home got my cue a day later and went to the pool room to work it out. Immediately I went back to my standard aiming protocol and just about could not miss....because my feel is centered around my aiming protocol and not going through it with a strange cue in my hand was a mistake.....Many times i just know with a familiar cue what to do..but with a wall cue...I needed to return to basics.

So yes I think it can happen the way you describe but...knowing what you do..how you do it is invaluable when you are playing a good player that doesnt know how to do what he does...he just does it from wrote....its that guy that gets shook up when you keep him in his seat and dont let him shoot....thats how you beat a buy 8 to minus 1 and make it look easy.

The minute a player is off his game and fighting to find his way back to something he doesnt know exactly how to find....increase the bet.

I find that having an aiming system helps me to use strange cues much easier. Especially since CTE gets you to center ball I find that for 90% of the shots I face that's enough. Then if I have to go off center BHE takes care of that.

 

[JB Cases]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm-VDuGzJS4

It starts off around the 36 or 37 minute mark. I know Sean has tried to hammer this point across to some people (including myself), but seeing it in video format makes me understand it better.

I've been using Pro One since around Nov. 2012. I played a few cheap sets tonight (before seeing this video), and I was doing exactly like he is. Not looking at any visuals or thinking about a sweep. Simply getting down and firing balls in at will.

This isn't mean to dismiss Pro One in any way. I still think it's the best aiming system out there, and would recommend it to anyone who struggles with making balls. However, like Tor says in the video, aiming systems (CTE, Pro One, GB, SEE, etc.) should only be used temporarily until you can do things automatically.

Extensive knowledge in this game is a wonderful thing, but the less you think about the things you know, the better you'll play.

Of course the ultimate goal is to be on autopilot but still aware enough to adjust when you need to.

I find that this is what CTE does for me and now ProOne is starting to sink in like that.

Tor is wrong though.

There is no temporarily to it. You practice CTE until it's fused with your soul and then it's always there with you. For those tense moments where you have bubble up from the automatic pilot mode you can easily and consciously go back to making a clear and lucid evaluation of what the right aim is and execute it.

That extra focus will make help you to have a great chance to make the tester and CTE gives you the frame of reference you can always depend on.

That's what allowed me to win $1800 over three days of playing a guy who had beaten me before. I came with so many shots that I HAD to make and did make because of fully focused CTE aiming. It totally broke him down that I made every tough shot I faced. Ok almost every one but enough to take more games than him.

 

[336Robin]

Point well taken

Of course the ultimate goal is to be on autopilot but still aware enough to adjust when you need to.

I find that this is what CTE does for me and now ProOne is starting to sink in like that.

Tor is wrong though.

There is no temporarily to it. You practice CTE until it's fused with your soul and then it's always there with you. For those tense moments where you have bubble up from the automatic pilot mode you can easily and consciously go back to making a clear and lucid evaluation of what the right aim is and execute it.

That extra focus will make help you to have a great chance to make the tester and CTE gives you the frame of reference you can always depend on.

That's what allowed me to win $1800 over three days of playing a guy who had beaten me before. I came with so many shots that I HAD to make and did make because of fully focused CTE aiming. It totally broke him down that I made every tough shot I faced. Ok almost every one but enough to take more games than him.

John,
Your point is well taken. I agree. I see a lot of parallels between different system users as its obvious that if you adopt one and use it....feel will fill in the gaps for what you see but cant quite explain.

I occasionally hit a zone where I just walk up smack in the shot thinking more about my position than making the ball....because its becoming automatic on immediate sight...

I know after my one pocket experience I wont step outside my protocol again....I think its an art of balancing protocol and concern over postion...both are extremely important.

 

[stan shuffett]

That was my point, and I believe the point that Tor was trying to make as well. It's not that use of the system is temporary, just that the awareness of the system being used is temporary.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I would imagine that you never think about your visuals or what sweep is needed when you are playing.

CTE PRO ONE is an extremely repetitive system. You are constantly doing an exact visual and physical routine over and over. I do not engage in a set of wordy directions for each shot. But I do have an awareness that I am engaged in an objective routine.

What CTE PRO ONE can allow you to do is to play the game how it is supposed to be played; visually and physically without an interfering Self, interrupting your play by saying, NO! aim here, Ajust there, You are going miss, You did not line up well, This is not working and the list goes on.....CTE PRO ONE is how you REALLY play the game.

Stan Shuffett

 

[8pack]

Not sure if everything just becomes automatic.I think no matter who you are you need a solid starting point to work with.(for each of us its probably a little different)
To me after learning to deal with spin ,speed ,distance and deflection it basically boils down to your starting point and calculated movement.
I dont think you can just get up and start pockets balls with out following some type of procedure.

Anthony

 

[336Robin]

Exactly

Not sure if everything just becomes automatic.I think no matter who you are you need a solid starting point to work with.(for each of us its probably a little different)
To me after learning to deal with spin ,speed ,distance and deflection it basically boils down to your starting point and calculated movement.
I dont think you can just get up and start pockets balls with out following some type of procedure.

Anthony

Anthony,
I agree 100 percent...a few months ago I found time in my schedule to actually play pool and entered a local tournament....it was races to 2 and you got losses...I jumped in there and won a few then in races to 2 well occasionally you dont get to shoot and if you decide to make a mistake welll theres another loss...

Well I got on my last loss and something clicked in and said what are you doing? and I stopped and went through my protocol the way I know Im supposed to and blew through to 2nd place and didnt give my opponents any shots and incidentally thats how I lost first... the guy broke I was left safe...he got a shot and ran out twice...I watched.

That tourney I went strictly on my routine....the next time I sort of woke up in the middle of the next one and wondered ....how am i stringing these racks together and froze up......of course I was trying to find my feel and lost and went home on that one...

Then when I realized I had abandoned my own methods for complete feel...it went away about as fast as it had come....and I couldnt find my way back to it....

I agree whatever method you use, stick to it like glue and always have it in the back of your mind regardless of what your feel tells you.

Im not saying to ignore feel completely but manage it closely so it doesnt get out of hand, because it can depending on how you feel.

 

[Cuemaster98]

Automatic Aiming to me is when you are able to play instinctively where you subconscious does all the calculation for you. One of the thing I tell my players when I show them my CM360 system is that the ultimate goal of any system is to help you train your subconscious mind so that you can play instinctively. So essentially, "Learn to aim so you don't have to aim".

To play instinctively mean that you should already understand the shot before you get down to your line of aim....essentially with any system you are training your mind to play in the "zone". I find that players with a system can get in the zone faster because of the references they use to find their line of aim is more reliable and it very easy for them to make adjustment and understand why they are missing.

I believe that finding your line of aim (Aiming) is the first part of any system but the second part which involves visualization is the most important (the real secret to playing consistently). Knowing your line is one thing but executing it consistently involves an extensive amount of experience and time that all players must sacrifice to build on their fundamental which may includes your eye-object ball pattern, your stroke, understanding your cue, etc. Just knowing how to aim is a great first start for a lot of players especially for intermediate/advanced players as they already have a firm grip on their fundamentals.

So if you want to player in the zone or play automatically...first start with finding a system that works for you so that your can build on it. Aiming systems to me are like different form of martial arts, they all have the same goal and at their highest level they are all deadly.

Duc.

 

[336Robin]

Nicely Said

Automatic Aiming to me is when you are able to play instinctively where you subconscious does all the calculation for you. One of the thing I tell my players when I show them my CM360 system is that the ultimate goal of any system is to help you train your subconscious mind so that you can play instinctively so goes my saying "Learn to aim so you don't have to aim".

To play instinctively mean that you should already understand the shot before you get down to your line of aim....essentially with any system you are training your mind to play in the "zone". I find that players with a system can get in the zone faster because of the references they use to find their line of aim is more reliable and it very easy for them to make adjustment and understand why they are missing.

I believe that finding your line of aim (Aiming) is the first part of any system but the second part which involves visualization is the most important (the real secret to playing consistently). Knowing your line is one thing but executing it consistently involves an extensive amount of experience and time that all players must sacrifice to build on their fundamental which may includes your eye-object ball pattern, your stroke, understanding your cue, etc. Just knowing how to aim is a great first start for a lot of players especially for intermediate/advanced players as they already have a firm grip on their fundamentals.

So if you want to player in the zone or play automatically...first start with finding a system that works for you so that your can build on it. Aiming systems to me are like different form of martial arts, they all have the same goal and at their highest level they are all deadly.

Duc.

Very Nicely said. I agree totally.There is the system, the recognition and then the execution, all are separate. The recognition and the execution belong to the player and are what makes him stand out above the rest and not the system.

 

[tinh339]

Excellent post Duc....See you in a few days...
Regards
Peter

 

[BeiberLvr]

Automatic Aiming to me is when you are able to play instinctively where you subconscious does all the calculation for you. One of the thing I tell my players when I show them my CM360 system is that the ultimate goal of any system is to help you train your subconscious mind so that you can play instinctively. So essentially, "Learn to aim so you don't have to aim".

To play instinctively mean that you should already understand the shot before you get down to your line of aim....essentially with any system you are training your mind to play in the "zone". I find that players with a system can get in the zone faster because of the references they use to find their line of aim is more reliable and it very easy for them to make adjustment and understand why they are missing.

I believe that finding your line of aim (Aiming) is the first part of any system but the second part which involves visualization is the most important (the real secret to playing consistently). Knowing your line is one thing but executing it consistently involves an extensive amount of experience and time that all players must sacrifice to build on their fundamental which may includes your eye-object ball pattern, your stroke, understanding your cue, etc. Just knowing how to aim is a great first start for a lot of players especially for intermediate/advanced players as they already have a firm grip on their fundamentals.

So if you want to player in the zone or play automatically...first start with finding a system that works for you so that your can build on it. Aiming systems to me are like different form of martial arts, they all have the same goal and at their highest level they are all deadly.

Duc.

FINALLY! Someone here understands what I was trying to say.

Through the repetitive use of the system eventually your mind and eyes will know whether you are right or wrong once you are down on the shot.

Do I still consciously use Pro One at times? Most definitely, especially on tougher shots. But that's no different than someone who uses CP or GB on a tough shot to line up the OB with the pocket.

 

[stan shuffett]

FINALLY! Someone here understands what I was trying to say.

Through the repetitive use of the system eventually your mind and eyes will know whether you are right or wrong once you are down on the shot.

Do I still consciously use Pro One at times? Most definitely, especially on tougher shots. But that's no different than someone who uses CP or GB on a tough shot to line up the OB with the pocket.

You indicated in your 1st post that Pro 1 as a system should be used temporarily until it becomes automatic. My point is, even on auto pilot, the system is still strongly in use..it is the continual use that creates refinement visually and physically.

Stan Shuffett

 

[8pack]

FINALLY! Someone here understands what I was trying to say.

Through the repetitive use of the system eventually your mind and eyes will know whether you are right or wrong once you are down on the shot.

Do I still consciously use Pro One at times? Most definitely, especially on tougher shots. But that's no different than someone who uses CP or GB on a tough shot to line up the OB with the pocket.

Aiming isn't automatic, you still must have some kind of routine to get the ball to the whole.Some routines are just easier then others.

Anthony