Bad transaction report? When to give one?

Wow!

Buyer beware with this guy.

Join Date: 04-18-2006 and already has managed to get himself Black-Balled ( no pun intended Black-Balled :D )

I promise you one thing. You will never amount to anything in business with an attitude like that. Maybe we'll meet the next time I need to fill my tank.
 
thank you george

George said:
I was going to respond to some of these posts but you know what they say: "if you give someone enough rope"

I think you all get the picture now.

George
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thank you george
 
Mike, I suspect that rabbit in your avitar is going to out live you around here.

Really.....reallly bad form.
 
Dealing with adults

boston.mike said:
yeah your right, if i was on the other end i would be pissed also. and i am not saying that i shouldnt fix it. as i explained it is how it was gone about. in my last email to him i said i would look into the wrap and that i would let him know when i did. then he does this. so i tried, he ended it by posting this thread. plus, think what you will. i gave him a chance.


here is my email to him. i offered.

<Ok. do what you will. i am an honest seller my ebay feedback is 100. i
will look into getting the grip fixed. i will let you know the status
of it when i do. and yes i did not know, i jsut got it and sold it
really quick. it wasnt in my possesion long. so no i did not know. no
matter what you tell yourself you think. i will be in touch.>


next thing was this post that i just a couple days ago. so its a learrning lesson. *****ing at the seller right off the bat doesnt work. explain calmly, get and explanation the ressolve. dont accuse, *****, then expect results. sorry. adios amigos. :)
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Mike, you're going to have to learn how to deal with grown-ups.

I am glad I didn't act on my impulse to contact you about your Sledgehammer.

DougT
 
Mike, You've got it backwards.


You need to make it right.....THEN wait for his apology.
See, from where you are now, you'll never make it right and YOU will look like the one who is wrong.....forever.


Make it right.

At least you can know in your heart the situation is good.

Could you stand in front of the Lord and argue that it was his fault you did't do the right thing....because he was disrespectful....after he was wronged?

Do the right thing.
 
you sold it too fast to tell if it was mint, as you desc?

boston.mike said:
you guys say i am not honest. i was with hi right off the bat. i told him it was an honest mistake and i miss the isues and sold this cue to fast.

i started off the right way. his next email was him calling me a liar and that it was bullsh*t i didnt know and i fasle advertised. now cmon. if he believed me that i made an honest mistake we could have gone from thier and fixed this. instead he called me a liar say i false advetised and demanded it was fixed. if he had said, i understand you made an honest mistake but my cue has these issue i would like fixed or a refund i would have dealt with him. Once you become childish and disrepct the person your asking help from, i am sorry but i dont have time for he said she said emails. although that is what i am doing right now but i amjust trying to explain myself. take or leave it. i the end it is what it is. if he apologizes for not giving me a chance and /or believeing me that i made an honest mistake. maybe we can work something out, but i dont see that happening. thanks all.
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YOU sold it too fast to tell if it was mint, as you described it in your for-sale ad? And now a buyer is supposed to apologize for asking you to fix the problems you 'couldn't' see?
Tell me, Mike, how did you start off the right way?
 
Mike, forget the cues and pool and invest in the following:

A typing tutor,
A Webster dictionary,
And then stop and buy a vowel every once in a while.

Good luck buying or selling anything here.


Taiko
 
Mr. Wilson said:
Mike, You've got it backwards.


You need to make it right.....THEN wait for his apology.
See, from where you are now, you'll never make it right and YOU will look like the one who is wrong.....forever.


Make it right.

At least you can know in your heart the situation is good.

Could you stand in front of the Lord and argue that it was his fault you did't do the right thing....because he was disrespectful....after he was wronged?

Do the right thing.
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*tap tap tap*

Matthew 7
 
boston.mike said:
yeah your right, if i was on the other end i would be pissed also. and i am not saying that i shouldnt fix it. as i explained it is how it was gone about. in my last email to him i said i would look into the wrap and that i would let him know when i did. then he does this. so i tried, he ended it by posting this thread. plus, think what you will. i gave him a chance.


here is my email to him. i offered.

<Ok. do what you will. i am an honest seller my ebay feedback is 100. i
will look into getting the grip fixed. i will let you know the status
of it when i do. and yes i did not know, i jsut got it and sold it
really quick. it wasnt in my possesion long. so no i did not know. no
matter what you tell yourself you think. i will be in touch.>

If this were the initial email you sent me then I never would have started this thread, but it wasn't. After 3+ days of trying to get a response from you I received comments like:

"the wrap is not going to fall off from what it looks like in the pic. also its
your risk for buying a used cue. but look at the deal you paid for it maybe you would give in a little"



next thing was this post that i just a couple days ago. so its a learrning lesson. *****ing at the seller right off the bat doesnt work. explain calmly, get and explanation the ressolve. dont accuse, *****, then expect results. sorry. adios amigos. :)
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It took this thread to get any response out of you at all and that's unfortunate. Hopefully you learn from this, I know I did.

George
 
boston.mike said:
you guys say i am not honest. i was with hi right off the bat. i told him it was an honest mistake and i miss the isues and sold this cue to fast.

i started off the right way. his next email was him calling me a liar and that it was bullsh*t i didnt know and i fasle advertised. now cmon. if he believed me that i made an honest mistake we could have gone from thier and fixed this. instead he called me a liar say i false advetised and demanded it was fixed. if he had said, i understand you made an honest mistake but my cue has these issue i would like fixed or a refund i would have dealt with him. Once you become childish and disrepct the person your asking help from, i am sorry but i dont have time for he said she said emails. although that is what i am doing right now but i amjust trying to explain myself. take or leave it. i the end it is what it is. if he apologizes for not giving me a chance and /or believeing me that i made an honest mistake. maybe we can work something out, but i dont see that happening. thanks all.
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There is a simple rule in business… ‘the customer is always right’. If you operate under this code you will be amazed how things come back to you in the positive. I don’t think it is too late for you to ‘do the right thing’. Irrespective how you perceive your buyers attitude, or anything relating to personality, the bottom line is, he is not happy with the purchase. Highly recommend that you apologize for the problem, and that you will grant a full refund upon receipt the return. If you really want to get on the right side of karma, suggest that you include the cost of the return shipping as well, that this buyer incurred. Not too late (yet), but getting close… to rectify this problem and take care of your buyer, hence, taking better care of yourself in the process...ie, taking care of your better good.
 
keepitreal said:
There is a simple rule in business… ‘the customer is always right’. If you operate under this code you will be amazed how things come back to you in the positive. I don’t think it is too late for you to ‘do the right thing’. Irrespective how you perceive your buyers attitude, or anything relating to personality, the bottom line is, he is not happy with the purchase. Highly recommend that you apologize for the problem, and that you will grant a full refund upon receipt the return. If you really want to get on the right side of karma, suggest that you include the cost of the return shipping as well, that this buyer incurred. Not too late (yet), but getting close… to rectify this problem and take care of your buyer, hence, taking better care of yourself in the process...ie, taking care of your better good.
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you are right. the customer is always right. i never said he was wrong. he got a cue that was not as described. thus he deserves to have it fixed or refunded. i understand that and stand by it. i always did. i started being an ass, and saying the things i said like "well you bought a used cue" and such casue he started being rude when i was trying to admit i made a mistake and miss didnt look over the cue fully. i didnt think anything was wrong for i did not have long. like i said if it was taken care of orderly i would have helped him. i dont apprecaite someone calling me a liar and a cheat when i am trying to admit i made a quick mistake and trying to be hinest with him to get understanding. i wasnt telling him i didnt see it cause i was trying to get out of it. he never let me get to that. so he got what he should for how he treated the matter. so yes he did deserve resolvement intially but he messed up. he simply made a mistake and got made to quick.


***put yourself in my shoes those who appose. you sell a cue the buyer get it, emails you and you she says theres a ding and a small rip or break in the grip. now you honestly dont know. and are giving him the benefit of the doubt by believeing him that it was there when it arrived. so you tell him i am sorry i didnt know it was there. it was an honest miss. then i the buyer reply "no it wasnt and hinest miss you are a liar you knew it was there and you sold it to me that way you false advertised you said i was mint." what would you respond next to someone disrespecting you and the hnest truth you made a simple mistake. you wouldnt be happy either. no matter what any of you say. he did deserve it it to be fixed. if he comes to me calmed down and understands i wasnt lying maybe we will get somewhere till then.....


oh and sorry about the typing i am very busy and i am trying to type fast. it happens whenyou are aggrevated. i am well educated and know how to spell but ireally dont care about my spelling on this website.
 
boston.mike said:
you are right. the customer is always right. i never said he was wrong. he got a cue that was not as described. thus he deserves to have it fixed or refunded. i understand that and stand by it. i always did. i started being an ass, and saying the things i said like "well you bought a used cue" and such casue he started being rude when i was trying to admit i made a mistake and miss didnt look over the cue fully. i didnt think anything was wrong for i did not have long. like i said if it was taken care of orderly i would have helped him. i dont apprecaite someone calling me a liar and a cheat when i am trying to admit i made a quick mistake and trying to be hinest with him to get understanding. i wasnt telling him i didnt see it cause i was trying to get out of it. he never let me get to that. so he got what he should for how he treated the matter. so yes he did deserve resolvement intially but he messed up. he simply made a mistake and got made to quick.


***put yourself in my shoes those who appose. you sell a cue the buyer get it, emails you and you she says theres a ding and a small rip or break in the grip. now you honestly dont know. and are giving him the benefit of the doubt by believeing him that it was there when it arrived. so you tell him i am sorry i didnt know it was there. it was an honest miss. then i the buyer reply "no it wasnt and hinest miss you are a liar you knew it was there and you sold it to me that way you false advertised you said i was mint." what would you respond next to someone disrespecting you and the hnest truth you made a simple mistake. you wouldnt be happy either. no matter what any of you say. he did deserve it it to be fixed. if he comes to me calmed down and understands i wasnt lying maybe we will get somewhere till then.....


oh and sorry about the typing i am very busy and i am trying to type fast. it happens whenyou are aggrevated. i am well educated and know how to spell but ireally dont care about my spelling on this website.
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Hmmmm...

So now...if I understand you right...you're saying that you're willing to own up to your "mistake" and make it right by your buyer...BUT ONLY WHEN HE ACTS THE WAY YOU EXPECT HIM TO ACT after getting the raw end of a bad deal??? You're not going to rectify the problem unless he says what you want to hear???

Gotta tell ya, man...you're really racking up the points here.

The longer you go on "explaining yourself," the deeper your hole gets.

Sounds to me like the best way to fix this is: take your damaged cue back, and give the man his money. Obviously, you two are at an impass...but consider this: EVERYONE but you sees it one way. What does that tell ya?

Rat
 
here is the email again for all to see who may have missed it? i did offer a solution and when he respondes read his accusations.
My response:
5/2/2006 12:02:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time

"Mike,
There's a big difference between a mint cue and the one I received. I can live with the dent, I will not live with the wrap. The cue needs to be rewrapped and I'm not paying to have it done. Mike Gulyassy does not warranty his cues for damage caused by mishandling a cue. He only warranties against defects in workmanship. I am suggesting 2 options and you can choose which you would prefer. You can eat the cost of a rewrap(I'll call Mike Webb and get a quote or you can call him) or you can have the cue back and refund me my money.
As far as the deal with <deleted repected AZers handle>......it doesn't concern me and if you were willing to settle for less than advertised then that's on you. I thought I was buying a *mint* Sledgehammer and you knew it had these problems and didn't mention it in your ad. That is false advertising and I don't think that's a fair way to do business. I await your response. Let's not drag this out any longer.

i bolded the part were he didnt accept my apology for admitting it was an honest mistake and he accuses me, soory but i dont repsond to this nicely. i was trying to help at first, after this i wasnt. then came all the bad emails.
 
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boston.mike said:
here is the email again for all to see who may have missed it? i did offer a solution and when he respondes read his accusations.
My response:
5/2/2006 12:02:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time

"Mike,
There's a big difference between a mint cue and the one I received. I can live with the dent, I will not live with the wrap. The cue needs to be rewrapped and I'm not paying to have it done. Mike Gulyassy does not warranty his cues for damage caused by mishandling a cue. He only warranties against defects in workmanship. I am suggesting 2 options and you can choose which you would prefer. You can eat the cost of a rewrap(I'll call Mike Webb and get a quote or you can call him) or you can have the cue back and refund me my money.
As far as the deal with <deleted repected AZers handle>......it doesn't concern me and if you were willing to settle for less than advertised then that's on you. I thought I was buying a *mint* Sledgehammer and you knew it had these problems and didn't mention it in your ad. That is false advertising and I don't think that's a fair way to do business. I await your response. Let's not drag this out any longer.

i bolded the part were he didnt accept my apology for admitting it was an honest mistake and he accuses me, soory but i dont repsond to this nicely. i was trying to help at first, after this i wasnt. then came all the bad emails.

George"
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The only problem with that is that where you supposedly admitted to the mistake, it sounded like you were admitting that you knew it was damaged. Perhaps if you could write a coherent sentence it wouldn't be a problem.
 
I hardly know George other than he won the cue that i was donating to the raffle that Joe T did for the turning stone casino tournament. After i sent the cue i had not heard back from George. I emailed him off the forum asking him if their were problems with the cue and i asked him if he kept his review private as to not embarass me publicly. After all, i was only donating the cue and i knew nothing about George.
Well i do now. he kept his review of the cue off the board so that i would not be embarrased by it. For that i give him a great thank you. I apologized to him for this screw up and i have offered to rectify the problem in the near future with another cue.
But him keeping his review off this board so as not to embarrass me, shows me what a great person he is. He is a man of principiles and a person who cares about others and their feelings.....thank you again george......mike
 
Mike -

Take the following steps:

1. Send the buyer his money back immediately

2. Buyer returns cue

3. INSPECT IT and carefully write a new and accurate description and sell again

This is the only way to make this deal right. It doesn't matter who made who mad when. This is a business transaction and should be handled that way.
 
Mike, please. You're wrong, he's right. How clear do you want it? If he called you a liar (which I didn't see anywhere, just accusations of false advertising) for misrepresenting the ad, well you did misrepresent the ad didn't you! Posting negatively in threads where George is trying to sell something really really doesn't help. I for one will never buy anything off you! Keepitreal said it, it wasn't too late yet, it's getting really close now!

no gr. Dave
 
I can't believe this thread is still going on! Mike you are clearly(like night and day)wrong, send his money back and make it right. Regardless of wether he pissed you off or not, the FACT is you advertised an item as MINT, where it clearly was not. Why would you advertise the cue as mint without inspecting it first? You set yourself up for this, NOW MAKE IT RIGHT. If i bought the cue, i would be more pissed about the dent in the fore-arm, than the wrap. The wrap can definately be fixed($30-$40), but i the dent in the forearm needs a refinish($75 and up + shipping), and who knows wether the dent is fixable.

AGAIN YOU SET YOURSELF UP FOR THIS, MAKE IT RIGHT.

Rodney
 
does anyone know this Boston mike Guy??

As far as I am concerned you are making a bad name for new englanders. If Koop or Boogie know this guy, Please ste him straight he is fukkin with a fairly tight group of guys, and then to step on George's post for sale is way out of line!!.

Mr Wilson Should ban this Azz!!!!!!!!
 
What I would like is for everyone NOT involved to give a little space.

Mike has asked for me to delete his account.

I am trying to get him to make this right before he goes.

So, give him some room.



Dave
 
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